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Combining Skyports with Mini/Flex and Hypersync

 
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May 06, 2009 23:53 |  #1

So Robert posed a question about combining the Mini/Flex and Skyports with an Elinchrom 600.
Goal: use the Mini/Flex to hypersync in addition to using the Skyport to change the power on the RX600.

First the skyport alone at 1/200, all at F9:

IMAGE: http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt130/pnmd/skyport200.jpg

skyport at 1/250:
IMAGE: http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt130/pnmd/skyport250.jpg

skyport at 1/320:
IMAGE: http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt130/pnmd/skyport320.jpg

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I have a Canon 50D and mounted a MiniTT1 on it then taped the flash mount and placed the Skyport on top of that. Using the Skyport to change the power on the RX600 worked flawlessly.

RX600 with FLexTT5 and Skyport:
IMAGE: http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt130/pnmd/IMG_7604.jpg

FLex at 1/200:
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Byte size: ZERO | PHOTOBUCKET ERROR IMAGE


Flex at 1/250:
IMAGE: http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt130/pnmd/Flex250.jpg

Flex at 1/320:
IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'image/gif' | Byte size: ZERO | PHOTOBUCKET ERROR IMAGE


Flex at 1/400:
IMAGE: http://i604.photobucket.com/albums/tt130/pnmd/Flex400.jpg

The Skyport shows banding at 1/250. The Mini/Flex shows banding at 1/320 but still useable.

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May 07, 2009 00:04 |  #2

http://www.robgalbrait​h.com ….asp?cid=7-9884-9903-9906 (external link)

Rob Galbraith spent 3 PAGES talking about hypersync with his Dyna-lites.

"The EOS-1D Mark III, EOS-1D Mark II N and EOS-1D Mark II are the only camera models capable of a nearly-clean 1/500 using the first HyperSync mode, but all Canon cameras will see a one or two step increase in usable shutter sync speed compared to previous PocketWizard transmitters. The bump is greater still when compared to certain other wireless triggering devices.

In Canon's lineup, the EOS 5D and 5D Mark II bring up the rear. While the first method of HyperSync still allows for a one or two shutter speed step wireless bump with these models, their maximum standard sync speeds are relatively slow to begin with. Therefore, a clean 1/250 is all we've been able to achieve with our Dyna-Lite sports strobe configuration. Other Canon models fall in-between 1/250 and 1/500; the 40D and 50D, for example, can manage a fairly clean 1/400."

As Galbraith states, my 50D "can manage a fairly clean 1/400" but that involves changing HyperSync Offset value on my MiniTT1. I haven't tried it yet.

He talks about hypersync and the 5D Mark II here:
http://www.robgalbrait​h.com ….asp?cid=7-9884-9903-9907 (external link)

BTW- intially I used the wrong sync cable and it didn't work. You need a 3.5mm MONO sync cable. Patrick Clow with PW explains:
http://www.flickr.com …iscuss/72157617​785865340/ (external link)


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May 07, 2009 00:35 as a reply to  @ pnmd's post |  #3

Why would you want to do all this:


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May 07, 2009 01:00 |  #4

Can I remote trigger my RX600 with my Sekonic L358 since I have the Mini/Flex attached to the RX600?


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May 07, 2009 03:26 as a reply to  @ pnmd's post |  #5

Hi,

Thanks for conducting those tests. So you didn't have to tape of contacts? You just mounted the Skyport transmitter on top of the TT1 and it worked?

1/320s looks good but I'd be curious to see that test shot against a white background. It looks like you might be getting a hint of curtain at 1/320s.

I see you posted a question about the Sekonic meter. I'm assuming you don't have the meter to know the answer to that question. As long as there's a Pocket Wizard feeding sync to the strobe then there's no reason why the Sekonic meter won't trigger the strobe.


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May 07, 2009 03:47 |  #6

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Thanks for conducting those tests. So you didn't have to tape of contacts? You just mounted the Skyport transmitter on top of the TT1 and it worked?

He did say he taped it.


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May 07, 2009 03:53 |  #7

fi20100 wrote in post #7874045 (external link)
He did say he taped it.

Thanks Stefan. I missed that.


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May 07, 2009 04:22 |  #8

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Thanks Stefan. I missed that.

Np :) Anyway, this is good news... this means you can get the best of both worlds :)


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May 07, 2009 07:59 as a reply to  @ fi20100's post |  #9

Well the missing variable is HyperSync Offset.

Don't forget you have the ability to adjust the Offset to better match the triggers with your strobes. Out of the box the offset is set up for Canon speedlights. You adjust the offset with the PW utility.

I'll add: on the Sync Timming tab on the PW utility

you also have the ability to change the SS when the High Speed Sync (FP Flash Sync) kicks in - @ default is at 1/400 but in my experience, well try it yourself set to 1/640 and see if that doesn't help.

you can also disable the High Speed Sync but still adjust the Offset to dial in your setting to match your gear.




  
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May 07, 2009 08:37 as a reply to  @ Palladium's post |  #10

I'll hi-jack a little

using my last statement above

you can also disable the High Speed Sync but still adjust the Offset to dial in your setting to match your gear.

using these settings

disabled High Speed Sync and setting the Offset to -800 I get clean images all the way to 1/640 (Mark III w/mini - profoto's with built in PW)




  
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May 07, 2009 08:39 as a reply to  @ Palladium's post |  #11

Hmm Interesting. Thank you.


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May 07, 2009 08:43 as a reply to  @ TMR Design's post |  #12

Just now using these settings

disabled High Speed Sync and setting the Offset to -1400 I get clean images all the way to 1/800 (Mark III w/mini - profoto's with built in PW)

Top image is @ 1/800 (clean) and the bottom is @ 1/1000 and starts to show the shutter.

IMAGE: http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/9543/img8938w.jpg
Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS-1D Mark III
Image Date: 2009:05:07 09:39:32
Flash Used: Yes (Manual)
Focal Length: 70.0mm
CCD Width: 5.79mm
Exposure Time: 0.0013 s (1/800)
Aperture: f/5.0
ISO equiv: 200
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual


IMAGE: http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/6079/img8939w.jpg
Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS-1D Mark III
Image Date: 2009:05:07 09:39:39
Flash Used: Yes (Manual)
Focal Length: 70.0mm
CCD Width: 5.79mm
Exposure Time: 0.0010 s (1/1000)
Aperture: f/5.0
ISO equiv: 200
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual



  
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May 07, 2009 08:48 as a reply to  @ Palladium's post |  #13

Great stuff. Now I'm really inspired to buy into the new Pocket Wizards. I have Plus II's right now and once I get the TT1 and TT5's and know all is well I'll be selling my Plus II's.


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May 07, 2009 08:58 |  #14

TMR Design wrote in post #7874968 (external link)
Great stuff. Now I'm really inspired to buy into the new Pocket Wizards. I have Plus II's right now and once I get the TT1 and TT5's and know all is well I'll be selling my Plus II's.

Well I havn't sold my Plus II's yet - but I havn't used them since I received the new Flex/Mini either. I will say that the new gear has paid for itself many, many times over.




  
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May 07, 2009 09:27 as a reply to  @ Palladium's post |  #15

Just now for all the "FULL FRAMERS" using 5D and the same settings as my last example but changed the camera in the PW utility to 5D on the Misc tab in the PW utility.

disabled High Speed Sync and setting the Offset to -1400 I get clean images all the way to 1/400 (5D w/mini - profoto's with built in PW).

I don't have time today to try any other settings with the 5D but this should be a good starting off point for Offset settings.

IMAGE: http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3443/img1820w.jpg
Camera Make: Canon
Camera Model: Canon EOS 5D
Image Date: 2009:05:07 09:17:47
Flash Used: Yes (Manual)
Focal Length: 70.0mm
CCD Width: 6.58mm
Exposure Time: 0.0025 s (1/400)
Aperture: f/5.6
ISO equiv: 125
White Balance: Auto
Metering Mode: Matrix
Exposure: Manual
Exposure Mode: Manual



  
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