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May 16, 2009 14:34 |  #1
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1) 5DII sensor and same size body
2) 11 AF points, all high precision
3) Half the shutter lag of the 5DII
4) "Real" Auto ISO
5) Sensor IS (since no primes below 300mm, save the 200 / 2L IS, have IS)

I'd like to call such a camera a "5DX", but I think a more accurate name would be "fiction". : )


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May 16, 2009 15:01 |  #2

I only have the "old" 5D, but what do you mean by shutterl lag? Not only is mine instant, but I would figure the the MkII to be at least as good if not faster ;).

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1) 5DII sensor and same size body
2) 11 AF points, all high precision
3) Half the shutter lag of the 5DII
4) "Real" Auto ISO
5) Sensor IS (since no primes below 300mm, save the 200 / 2L IS, have IS)

I'd like to call such a camera a "5DX", but I think a more accurate name would be "fiction". : )


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sapearl wrote in post #7933746 (external link)
I only have the "old" 5D, but what do you mean by shutterl lag? Not only is mine instant, but I would figure the the MkII to be at least as good if not faster ;).

I, too, have the 5D. I don't know if you got a magical one, or I got a dud, but there most definitely is a lag between depressing the shutter and capturing the image. Mind you, this lag is measured in fractions of a second, but much of my imagery is captured in those fractions.


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May 16, 2009 15:14 |  #4

Seriously Joe, I don't believe mine is magical.... just normal, not even fractions ;).

Now that being said, I do have some lag when I can't get a solid auto-focus lock. But that is by design. If I'm not metering subjects with good contrast, or if at a very dark wedding venue - processional at some dim churches - it will hunt and "lag" until I get a lock.

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I, too, have the 5D. I don't know if you got a magical one, or I got a dud, but there most definitely is a lag between depressing the shutter and capturing the image. Mind you, this lag is measured in fractions of a second, but much of my imagery is captured in those fractions.


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sapearl wrote in post #7933804 (external link)
Seriously Joe, I don't believe mine is magical.... just normal, not even fractions ;).

Now that being said, I do have some lag when I can't get a solid auto-focus lock. But that is by design. If I'm not metering subjects with good contrast, or if at a very dark wedding venue - processional at some dim churches - it will hunt and "lag" until I get a lock.

That's not what I mean by "shutter lag". That's focus speed, and I would like to see an improvement there, especially with the outer AF points in lower light. "Shutter lag" is the time differential between when the shutter is depressed and the image is captured. This is especially noticable when subjects are moving and you are shooting extremely shallow DOFs, as I do.


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May 16, 2009 19:25 |  #6

joe mama wrote in post #7933633 (external link)
1) 5DII sensor and same size body
2) 11 AF points, all high precision
3) Half the shutter lag of the 5DII
4) "Real" Auto ISO
5) Sensor IS (since no primes below 300mm, save the 200 / 2L IS, have IS)

I'd like to call such a camera a "5DX", but I think a more accurate name would be "fiction". : )

Call it Sony alpha

I wouldn't buy that camera.


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Call it Sony alpha

I wouldn't buy that camera.

I don't know how the Sony A900's AF compares to what I'm asking for. As for their sensor, it's supposedly the best at low ISO but the worst at high ISO. I prefer the 5DII's compromise.


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May 16, 2009 20:11 |  #8

5D++


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May 17, 2009 08:26 |  #9

I think I'd call it Bob.




  
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May 17, 2009 21:33 |  #10

5D mark too awesome.


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May 18, 2009 13:59 |  #11

sapearl wrote in post #7933746 (external link)
I only have the "old" 5D, but what do you mean by shutterl lag? Not only is mine instant, but I would figure the the MkII to be at least as good if not faster ;).

Stuart, I only have the "old" 5D too, but joe is right, there is some shutter lag and the 5DII has exactly the same amount as the "old" 5D. Admittedly, I didn't notice it at first, but after I owned the 1D/1DIIN/1DIII (all sold now), it was really apparently. Those cameras fire instantaneously, and it actually shocked me a little because, being used to the 5D, their shutters go off before I expect them to go off :lol:.


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May 18, 2009 15:49 |  #12

If it were up to #4, I would have said 5D MKII Should-have-been Edition.
Don't think they would implement sensor IS looking at the lens lineup.

joe mama wrote in post #7933633 (external link)
1) 5DII sensor and same size body
2) 11 AF points, all high precision
3) Half the shutter lag of the 5DII
4) "Real" Auto ISO
5) Sensor IS (since no primes below 300mm, save the 200 / 2L IS, have IS)

I'd like to call such a camera a "5DX", but I think a more accurate name would be "fiction". : )




  
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May 18, 2009 18:51 |  #13

I would call it "My Dream Camera".




  
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If it were up to #4, I would have said 5D MKII Should-have-been Edition.

:D:D:D

Don't think they would implement sensor IS looking at the lens lineup.

I see it exactly opposite. By that, I don't mean that they will implement sensor IS -- I agree that they won't -- but not because of the lens lineup. Let me explain. The only FF zooms with IS are the 24-105 / 4L IS and the 70-xxx zooms (as well as the 100-400 IS), which are all either slow, large, or both. All other IS lenses are long primes (save the 200 / 2L IS).

For longer focal lengths, there is a definite advantage to the stabilized viewfinder, so I think people might still prefer to spend more for those lenses even if the body had sensor IS. However, save the 24-105 / 4L IS, there are no shorter lenses with IS, and the advantages of lens IS are minor for such shorter focal lengths. And being able to get IS on all my lenses at once, as opposed to IS versions of the lenses I own trickling down over the years, if ever, would be very welcome. And, since the Sony A900 has shown that it can be done, without any major expense, there's no reason not to do so.

Then again, where was the reason not to implement items 1-4 on the list? Protection of the 1-series DSLRs? Seems lame, and, perhaps, even counterproductive. The reason I say that is because for all those who puchase a "5DII should-have-been" over a 1-series DSLR, they would likely spend their other disposable income on glass, so Canon gets their money either way.

But even that is short-sighted thinking. The goal is to attract as many people to your brand as possible. So even if those who chose the "5DII should-have-been" over 1D bodies choose to save their money, Canon would instead make more money off of those who now chose Canon instead of Nikon or Sony. Not only would they get the money from the bodies, but the money from all the glass these people would buy.


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May 19, 2009 15:48 |  #15

I know that for me personally I had cash in hand ready to go on the 5DII until the specs came out. $2700 for no significant improvement in AF (some claim faster CPU = faster AF) when that was clearly one of the weak points of the 5D? Not what I was looking for. And since then Canon haven't gotten a single red cent from me--not cameras, lenses, flash. Nothing. Not out of spite or anything; just haven't seen the need. My 5D is doing just fine, and an upgrade to a 5DII would've been mostly about unnecessary perks that I wouldn't turn down but aren't worth the upgrade without the essentials. Not at $2700 anyway. Once it gets into the $1800-1900 range like the 5D did at the end of its cycle I might revisit it, but I expect more out of a $2700 camera in terms of AF. I feel like I'm in the minority with all the 5DII hype and so many people lining up to buy one, but I know I've done what's right for my situation.

Meanwhile I'm looking at Pentax because their tiny primes fascinate me and they have a body coming out to complete the well-equipped, small form-factor concept. So for this one user at least, Canon dropped the ball and lost certain revenue because of their 5DII direction, and might end up handing that money over to another company.

It'll be interesting to see the 5DIII. I'd like to see if Canon intend to continue with the large-sensor-with-a-prosumer-feature-set concept, or if the 5D line will finally include concessions like pro AF to stem the tide of people giving the Nikon D700 a serious look. A D700 with a Canon mount would've been just the camera I was looking for in the 5DII, and there's still hope for the next version. At the very least some kind of in-between AF that has all cross-type sensors and a better layout.




  
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