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May 17, 2009 00:26 |  #1

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here are a series of shots that I took in about 15min time frame. They seem very soft or out of focus. I believe the lens is sharp because shooting still objects it's fine.

Any suggestions on what I am doing wrong? As far as trying to pan, I kept the center AF point on only and the bird as much as on the center at all times.

Photos are not cropped or anything. No PP. Just resized to 600x400. last photo is 100% crop

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May 18, 2009 10:43 |  #2

Is the last one cropped, or were you really that close?


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May 21, 2009 14:44 |  #3

the last one is cropped 100%

so it's really blurred or soft and I was doing my best to pan and follow the bird in center AF point so it'll keep it locked in focus


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May 24, 2009 21:54 as a reply to  @ fiveFPS's post |  #4

The primary reason that there is no real detail is two fold.

First the images are underexposed and that results in increased noise which takes the level of detail available down. This noise is particular visible in the crop looking under the wing.

The underexposure is also clear in the crop looking to the head and the back of the wings, no eye is visible, no feather seperation at all except where the light is coming through portions of the wing tips.

The 2nd issue is distance, while this bird isn't really very far off, if the original are just downsized originals, with abetter exposure one could expect to crop about 40% of the shot away and be able to pull up the image and have some feather definition.


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May 27, 2009 03:00 |  #5

Thanks Brad.. I'm going to have to try this again and do it in the middle of the day so I don't have to bump up ISO that results in noise.


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Jun 09, 2009 11:49 |  #6

???? is that spam?


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Jun 09, 2009 15:03 |  #7

fiveFPS wrote in post #8077851 (external link)
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Jun 09, 2009 22:34 |  #8

thanks mods for removing it.

so does anyone else think my photo #4 100% crop is a little not sharp?


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Jun 09, 2009 22:41 |  #9

How fast do you think that bird is moving?
Maybe 1/640 is not fast enough.
Your panning would have to be spot on.
That's a pretty tough shot at 1/640.
I think you did pretty well.
Have you shot these guys before with better or worse results?
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Jun 10, 2009 14:52 |  #10

maxblack wrote in post #8081510 (external link)
How fast do you think that bird is moving?
Maybe 1/640 is not fast enough.
Your panning would have to be spot on.
That's a pretty tough shot at 1/640.
I think you did pretty well.
Have you shot these guys before with better or worse results?
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Thanks Max! They were moving maybe 10-15mph I would say.. I was panning them but maybe I wasn't spot on like you said. But I just baffled about the results I got compared to what others have posted.. so I assumed it was completely my sole error. Thanks for the compliment. I'm just going to go back out and try again.. It was my first time see the skimmers in action =)


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Jun 10, 2009 15:10 |  #11

fiveFPS wrote in post #8085432 (external link)
Thanks Max! They were moving maybe 10-15mph I would say.. I was panning them but maybe I wasn't spot on like you said. But I just baffled about the results I got compared to what others have posted.. so I assumed it was completely my sole error. Thanks for the compliment. I'm just going to go back out and try again.. It was my first time see the skimmers in action =)

I have this same lens and have had many images that I thought should be sharper on shots of Great White Herons about 30 ft. away, stationary and using a tripod. Then I have others that are razor sharp.
I attribute this to my own user error in not using a faster shutter speed.
At least I know "that" lens can do it.
Again, you subject was not an easy one but you did pretty well.
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