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NYPD internal Memo STOP Messing with photographers.

 
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May 18, 2009 06:58 |  #1

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May 18, 2009 07:10 |  #2

That's been a long time coming, and is good to see. Hope other cities see/hear about it, and follow suit.


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May 18, 2009 07:26 |  #3

That's nice to see. I've never been pestered in NYC while shooting but anything that helps law enforcement approach these situations with more common sense will help!


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May 18, 2009 08:27 as a reply to  @ Colorblinded's post |  #4

Looks promising, but I'm trying to wrap my head around #2.

Members of the service may not demand to view photographs taken by a person absent consent or exigent circumstances.

If the photographers grants consent then how can the officer "demand" to view them?

The exigent circumstances I get...




  
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May 18, 2009 08:33 |  #5

With all the anti-photographer stuff going around recently, it's good to see stuff like this.




  
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May 18, 2009 08:54 |  #6

mbellot wrote in post #7942515 (external link)
Looks promising, but I'm trying to wrap my head around #2.


If the photographers grants consent then how can the officer "demand" to view them?

The exigent circumstances I get...

basically, they can ask you nicely if they can see it, but you have the right to refuse, or you can simply say yes and show it to them, but they cant make you show it to them. Its just legal talk so its a little backwards


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May 18, 2009 09:33 as a reply to  @ ruben00's post |  #7

It's good to see that they are putting this memo out. I'm sure that 99.9% of the cops wouldn't harass someone, but there's always that 0.1% that make the rest of the department look like jerks.....and not just in the NYPD, either.


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May 18, 2009 14:16 |  #8

mbellot wrote in post #7942515 (external link)
Looks promising, but I'm trying to wrap my head around #2.



The important part of #2 is that if the officer feels he has probable cause to suspect a crime he can seize your camera (to make sure you don't destroy evidence) but he must get a search warrant from a judge before viewing the images.

Standard procedure for any kind of possible evidence.

This is a good thing!

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May 18, 2009 14:29 |  #9

Finally! This is great stuff.


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May 19, 2009 06:30 |  #10

Somebody should access a good copy and make a downloadable PDF so POTN'ers and others could print it up and mail it to the police chief of their own city / county.

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May 19, 2009 07:37 |  #11

Every NYC photographer should print this and keep it in their bag.



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May 19, 2009 15:45 |  #12

South Swede? Are you there?
this is how they do it in the big city. Ask questions, get answers, accuse of crime for probable cause, get warrant and then search. Not as much fun, huh?


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May 19, 2009 16:07 |  #13

CannedHeat wrote in post #7948936 (external link)
Somebody should access a good copy and make a downloadable PDF so POTN'ers and others could print it up and mail it to the police chief of their own city / county.

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http://www.flickr.com/​photos/thomashawk/3542​147285/sizes/o/ (external link)


Not seeing a pdf, just another copy of the image.


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May 20, 2009 05:30 |  #14

SOT wrote in post #7951897 (external link)
Not seeing a pdf, just another copy of the image.

No pdf, but there's a link to a full size image. Best I could find.

I'm mailing a copy to our local police chief, but have (strategically) decided to do so anonymously. ;) ;)


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May 20, 2009 05:45 as a reply to  @ Picture North Carolina's post |  #15

It all depends on how they define "exigent circumstances"...absen​t your consent, they can still demand to see the images if they feel that exigent circumstances exist. And, if you force them to get a search warrant in those rare circumstances where you may have captured a crime in progress, more than likely you can be tied up for hours playing the waiting game (and if you happen to be with your family, explain that to the wife and kids). The memo sounds good, but when you read between the lines, there's still some ambiguity...


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