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May 19, 2009 16:31 |  #1

I got my Canon EF 50mm 1.8 mark I lens a little over a month ago, and have been very happy with its performance up until now. The AF, which supposedly is as close to indestructable as an EF lens gets, had gone all wonky on me. After working perfectly up until a couple of days ago, it now hunts incessantly. It will come very close to locking on to the subject, then zip back and forth very rapidly in a narrow range, fore and aft of the subject. It's not hunting through its entire focus range, but in a narrow band that's almost, but not quite, right on focus.

I've tried in bright and dim conditions, varying apertures, all the various AF modes on both my XTi and the Wife's 50D, and even tried the 430EX's focusing assist. Nada. Same behavior. I still get the focus confirmation beep when I switch to MF and focus that way. All the contacts are clean.

Any ideas or suggestions? Obviously, I can't send it in to Canon...


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May 20, 2009 13:29 |  #2

No suggestions? Not even a "tough luck, dude"? I feared as much.

Damn, I really like this lens. Still works fine as MF, but I want the AF too... :(


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May 20, 2009 13:33 |  #3

Have you tried it on another body? What about cleaning the contacts? Are you using one-shot AF, AI focus, or AI servo?


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May 20, 2009 15:56 |  #4

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Have you tried it on another body? What about cleaning the contacts? Are you using one-shot AF, AI focus, or AI servo?

Yes, I've tried it on my XTi as well as the Wife's 50D. Ran through one-shot, II focus and AI servo. Same scenario on each of them--rapid front- and back-focusing in a narrow range, unable to actually lock on with any regularity.


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May 20, 2009 16:12 |  #5

Try cleaning the lens contacts on the back of the lens with a pencil eraser.




  
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May 26, 2009 14:01 |  #6

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Try cleaning the lens contacts on the back of the lens with a pencil eraser.

Tried this, but there was no appreciable improvement. The lens--contacts and all--are in very clean and well-maintained condition.

After more extensive testing, the AF works properly maybe one time out of 10. The rest of the time it simply zeroes in on a general range and jumps back and forth, "missing" the actual focus. Grr.

Are there any independent camera shops that might take a look at this old AF motor drive? It still works perfectly in MF mode, but I'd rather it be fully functioning...


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May 26, 2009 14:30 |  #7

jblaschke wrote in post #7991927 (external link)
Tried this, but there was no appreciable improvement. The lens--contacts and all--are in very clean and well-maintained condition.

After more extensive testing, the AF works properly maybe one time out of 10. The rest of the time it simply zeroes in on a general range and jumps back and forth, "missing" the actual focus. Grr.

Are there any independent camera shops that might take a look at this old AF motor drive? It still works perfectly in MF mode, but I'd rather it be fully functioning...

Does it seem to be trying to focus excessively fast?

I have an EF 35-105mm f/3.5-4.5 lens from the same vintage that would try to autofocus extremely fast and always overshoot and then oscillate around the focus point. I later bought another one used that worked correctly, then took the mount off of each of them and compared. There was a little potentiometer on the pcb and I noticed that it was set differently from the good lens. I turns out that it set the autofocus speed so I set it to the same angle as the good lens then put both back together and sold the good lens for a small profit now that the bad one was working perfectly.

Anyway, if you have a camera repair shop that works on lenses near where you live, you could get them to give you a quote to repair it. It might be something simple that they can just fix. Just look in your yellow pages.


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May 26, 2009 15:14 as a reply to  @ macroimage's post |  #8

Macroimage, yes, this lens is behaving just as you describe. Overshooting then over-compensating in a nasty cycle. I'll give it a closer examination tonight to see if your solution may be my salvation...


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May 27, 2009 23:14 as a reply to  @ jblaschke's post |  #9

WHOO HOO! Macroimage, you are a lifesaver! Your suggestion absolutely worked. I removed the mount and found the potentiometer easily. I tried rotating it 90 degrees to the left, but this had no appreciable effect. Then I tried rotating 90 degrees to the right from the original position. BINGO! The lens started autofocusing perfectly. Locking on without so much as a second guess. Brilliant. All I can think is that the potentiometer gradually vibrates out of position over the years. If this happens again 20 years from now, I'll know exactly what to do.

Thanks again for the suggestion! It's GREAT to have my lens back! :D


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May 28, 2009 00:14 |  #10

The potentiometer? I don't have a problem with my mkI, but what exactly is the potentiometer? It sounds like you had to physically take apart the lens to fix the problem?




  
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May 28, 2009 00:52 |  #11

jblaschke wrote in post #8002009 (external link)
WHOO HOO! Macroimage, you are a lifesaver! Your suggestion absolutely worked. I removed the mount and found the potentiometer easily. I tried rotating it 90 degrees to the left, but this had no appreciable effect. Then I tried rotating 90 degrees to the right from the original position. BINGO! The lens started autofocusing perfectly. Locking on without so much as a second guess. Brilliant. All I can think is that the potentiometer gradually vibrates out of position over the years. If this happens again 20 years from now, I'll know exactly what to do.

Thanks again for the suggestion! It's GREAT to have my lens back! :D

Congrats. Luckily that is all that was wrong.


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The potentiometer? I don't have a problem with my mkI, but what exactly is the potentiometer? It sounds like you had to physically take apart the lens to fix the problem?

To be honest, I wasn't clear either, at first. Here's the wikipedia link: potentiometer (external link). Essentially it's a variable resistor. In this case, it controls the AF in the lens. Too much power, and we get Mk I lenses overshooting the focal point and oscillating wildly trying to find it.

To make the repair on the 50mm 1.8 mk I, remove the three screws in the metal mount plate and carefully remove to expose the inside of the lens (it will remain connected by a set of circuitry wires). There's a dark, anti-static plastic sheet that needs to be removed next (it's flimsy, unconnected to anything and unattached, but make note of its proper orientation). The potentiometer is not obvious at all. It looks like a tiny screw head, 2-3mm in diameter, and it's hidden beneath a folded over flap of circuitry wire. You'll need a small jeweler's screwdriver to turn it (you'll need the same to remove the metal mount as well). Once the adjustment is made, put everyting back together the way you found it. Simple and straightforward.

I was nervous as all get-out when I first started taking the lens apart--I didn't want to do anything to ruin it, after all. But once I got it apart and recognized the various pieces, I was able to relax a lot. This particular repair isn't brain surgery, and unless you slip with the screwdriver and damage some circuits or scratch the glass, there's not much opportunity to do any real damage.

Note that this repair only applies to Canon's oldest, first-generation EF autofocus motors. I don't even know if later lenses like the Mk II even have potentiometers. But it's a good fix to know if you've got a Mk I. Saved me the time and expense of shipping it off somewhere.


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May 28, 2009 19:54 |  #13

One of the biggest risks in opening a lens is in accidentally tearing one of the flex circuits or cables.


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May 28, 2009 23:04 |  #14

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One of the biggest risks in opening a lens is in accidentally tearing one of the flex circuits or cables.

Indeed. I was sweating that. But sending it out for repair would likely have cost as much or at least a significant percentage of the $140 or so it'd cost to replace the old Mark I, so I figured it was worth the risk. I'm not about to start popping open all my other lenses, though!


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