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The beloved L versus other lenses.

 
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Jun 08, 2009 03:58 |  #46

28-75 is a damn good lens, thinking of selling my 24-105 is because of it. Add the 85 1.8 or 100 f2 and you have a nice portrait range.


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Jun 08, 2009 08:44 |  #47

Mike55 wrote in post #8069454 (external link)
Disagree there. Color is where I see the biggest difference outside of build quality.

So play the game! :) and find the L in the post #40


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Jun 08, 2009 08:47 |  #48

Stealthy Ninja wrote in post #8069515 (external link)
In Wilt's test (which I took blind) I preferred the 70-200 and the 17-55.

I'd have to say, L lenses do seem to have a colour advantage. IMHO the colours from my 200 2.8L and 24-105L seem richer and just nicer most of the non-L lenses I've owned/tried (17-55 is the exception, though generally I prefer the 24-105 colours...)

Maybe it's just my imagination though...

But I have not identified which photo is which lens yet. :confused:

So which photo do you think is the 70-200L and which do you think is a 17-55mm, which you think you prefer?


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Jun 08, 2009 09:28 |  #49

Wilt wrote in post #8070422 (external link)
But I have not identified which photo is which lens yet. :confused:

And people refuse to believe that their preconceived notions can affect their senses.




  
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Jun 08, 2009 12:49 |  #50

Wilt wrote in post #8070414 (external link)
So play the game! :) and find the L in the post #40

I'm not big on comparing color on shots indoors(poor casts in most cases) but I will guess that #2 is the 70-200 F4 L.


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Jun 08, 2009 12:57 |  #51

Mike55 wrote in post #8071726 (external link)
I'm not big on comparing color on shots indoors(poor casts in most cases) but I will guess that #2 is the 70-200 F4 L.

I'm withholding information about which photo is the L shot, pending additional replies from others. :)

(The point of this exercise is much like verifying repeated statements about being able to identify a particular beer or whiskey based upon some distinctive characteristic or preference. It is not a challenge to you or anyone else specifically, but to the veracity of a general claim. Like beer or whiskey, the true pro taster can identify things, but the average Joe cannot do so with consistent accuracy, I contend.)


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Jun 08, 2009 13:29 |  #52

A problem with third-party lens is that the quality control is not quite as consistent as Canon. You may get the first lens slightly front-focus, return it and get a slightly back-focus second lens.


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Jun 08, 2009 13:42 |  #53

^^Great test, I see no difference really....The real difference is outlined in an earlier post regarding pro use and build....But I also love the smooth ultra fast AF of the L lenses, they're not jittery...So handling is a big part of why I like the L's. I always have high hopes for off brand lenses. Some are good, some aren't, some are great....If I can save some money and still have killer AF and IQ then I'm in....if not, I'm not...Simple.


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Jun 08, 2009 15:30 |  #54

Wilt wrote in post #8071770 (external link)
I'm withholding information about which photo is the L shot, pending additional replies from others. :)

(The point of this exercise is much like verifying repeated statements about being able to identify a particular beer or whiskey based upon some distinctive characteristic or preference. It is not a challenge to you or anyone else specifically, but to the veracity of a general claim. Like beer or whiskey, the true pro taster can identify things, but the average Joe cannot do so with consistent accuracy, I contend.)

I appreciate the effort, but I think a test outside would be superior. The color cast from the lighting in those images isn't the best to judge a lens on. I look forward to the results of either test.


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Jun 08, 2009 15:35 |  #55

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I appreciate the effort, but I think a test outside would be superior. The color cast from the lighting in those images isn't the best to judge a lens on. I look forward to the results of either test.

And the problem outside is that unless you have absolutely cloudless skies, the color balance changes from moment to moment, rendering comparison rather meaningless. Nonetheless, becasue I anticipated reaction like yours, here are shots presented in same sequence of lenses as in prior posts, but without the white balanced version of the warm tone lens...

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The lenses to match Number (photo) to Letter (lens):
A. Canon 70-200 f/4L (to see if you can identify the L)
B. Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 (to see if you can identify the Tamron)
C. Canon 100 f/2 (to see if you can identify the prime)
D. Canon 17-55 f/2.8 (to see if you can identify the non-L zoom)

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Jun 08, 2009 15:46 |  #56

Wilt wrote in post #8072739 (external link)
And the problem outside is that unless you have absolutely cloudless skies, the color balance changes from moment to moment, rendering comparison rather meaningless.

I've never had problems comparing color outside. See this example, which shows up in every image regardless of cloud cover:

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The 17-40L delivers a neutral, accurate color. The 18-55 IS has a purple color cast.


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Jun 08, 2009 15:51 |  #57

Mike55 wrote in post #8072801 (external link)
I've never had problems comparing color outside. See this example, which shows up in every image regardless of cloud cover:



The 17-40L delivers a neutral, accurate color. The 18-55 IS has a purple color cast.

Yes color casts are noticeable. But can you identify the L from among the four shots of the flowers outside?! Two of them are Canon non-L without the color cast like you see with your 18-55 IS. (Are you using some cheapo brand filter?!)


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Jun 08, 2009 20:53 |  #58
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Sorry Wilt, I misunderstood. I'll play. :)




  
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1 = D
2 = C
3 = A
4 = B

I admit they were close. The ones I like best are 3 and 4 (which I guess are the 70-200 and the Tamron).

Hard to tell though and your post makes an excellent point. :)

A. Canon 70-200 f/4L (to see if you can identify the L)
B. Tamron 28-75 f/2.8 (to see if you can identify the Tamron)
C. Canon 100 f/2 (to see if you can identify the prime)
D. Canon 17-55 f/2.8 (to see if you can identify the non-L zoom)




  
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Jun 08, 2009 21:38 |  #60

Wilt wrote in post #8072842 (external link)
Yes color casts are noticeable. But can you identify the L from among the four shots of the flowers outside?! Two of them are Canon non-L without the color cast like you see with your 18-55 IS. (Are you using some cheapo brand filter?!)

Nope. That's straight up. I need to see 100% crops of the flowers.


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