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Sep 12, 2012 18:39 |  #31

All this chat about DOF differences between crop and FF risks being confusing. The truth is that the only factors that determine DOF are focal length, distance to the subject, and aperture (for a given enlargement size in the final print). The frame size makes no difference, except that a crop sensor will of course 'crop' the image compared to the FF sensor.

To illustrate this, imagine you:

- mount a 50mm lens on a 40d and on a 5dii
- set both cameras at, say, 1m from a subject
- set the aperture to, say, f2.8

You'll find that the DOF from both cameras will be IDENTICAL. Of course, the crop camera would show less of the scene. Now, If you move the 40d back so that its field of view is now the same as the 5dii, then of course you've changed the subject distance and now the DOF on the 40d will be greater. But, the changed DOF is caused only by the changed distance, not the sensor size.


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Sep 12, 2012 21:49 |  #32

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What are you shooting?

Right now I just take pictures of my 3 year old and 2 month old. So most of my shots are portrait or candid.


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Sep 12, 2012 22:02 |  #33

Don't stress about it. I had a 50D when I brought my 5D2, I didn't use the 50D at all for a while so thought stuff it, I don't like using it now so sold I it. I realised it was a mistake but didn't want another 50D so I have since aquired a low shutter count 40D as a backup. I actually like using it more than the 50D and for me the 5D2 + 40D is a great combo. Just shoot and enjoy, you'll have a ball.


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Sep 12, 2012 22:02 |  #34

I shoot a 40D and a 5DII. I sold my 7D to my dentist as an upgrade to his 40D that he shot extensively his kids in sports. No question to him that the 7D was better than the 40D. That would probably be the move for you, but to be honest, I'd start shooting some sporting events now and see how limited you feel. Better now, then when you want to get your kids.

The 5DIII would be the ticket if you want to spend the bucks. I know a number of photogs that are very impressed with the 5DIII and these are people with 1DIII and 1DIV experience.


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Sep 12, 2012 22:33 as a reply to  @ windpig's post |  #35

A 5D will blow away the 40D. I've finally stopped using the 40D. Too many artifacts and other "stuff" in the image that hurt resolution.

My 40D will be on Ebay soon.




  
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Sep 13, 2012 03:38 |  #36
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paulkaye wrote in post #14983003 (external link)
All this chat about DOF differences between crop and FF risks being confusing. The truth is that the only factors that determine DOF are focal length, distance to the subject, and aperture (for a given enlargement size in the final print). The frame size makes no difference, except that a crop sensor will of course 'crop' the image compared to the FF sensor.

To illustrate this, imagine you:

- mount a 50mm lens on a 40d and on a 5dii
- set both cameras at, say, 1m from a subject
- set the aperture to, say, f2.8

You'll find that the DOF from both cameras will be IDENTICAL. Of course, the crop camera would show less of the scene. Now, If you move the 40d back so that its field of view is now the same as the 5dii, then of course you've changed the subject distance and now the DOF on the 40d will be greater. But, the changed DOF is caused only by the changed distance, not the sensor size.

This is the clearest, most concise description of the differences between full-frame and aps-c DOF that I have ever read. It sums up and describes the situation with a minimum of distractions and clutter. That said, there are those who will argue with you until the cows come home. The experiment you have outlined would prove this, once and for all, to anyone who bothered to try it.

Alas, some people thirst more for argument than answers. I have had a few of these discussions. Just remember, if evidence, reason and logic don't persuade someone, they are by definition, unreasonable and illogical. I have posted photographs, with all measurement and EXIF data provided, only to have someone say that what they are looking at is not possible.

Stupidity is a condition the bearer has no control over. Ignorance is simply the lack of knowledge, easily corrected with a desire to know and understand. Refusing to believe that which you have evidence to verify, is intentional ignorance, which in my mind is the worst kind. You will run into intentional ignorance in DOF and crop factor discussions.


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