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5D MKII Auto ISO: Chuck Westfall's Tech Tips

 
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Jun 08, 2009 08:52 |  #1

This must have flown under the radar, because I haven't heard anything about it and people have been complaining about this since the beginning of time. It looks like Canon actually enabled a true "Auto ISO" feature with the new firmware update in the 5D MKII, but you need to have Live View and movie mode enabled to access it in still photos.

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Among other things, this update adds manual control of ISO, apertures, and shutter speeds in movie mode. The adjustment range for each setting is as follows:

ISO: 100 – 6400 (12800 with ISO Expansion)
Shutter Speeds: 1/30 – 1/4000 in ½ or 1/3 EV increments
Aperture Values: According to lens (no restrictions)

Here are some tips for making the most of this new manual control:

With this update, Auto ISO is fully functional (i.e., ISO values vary automatically as per the chart above) in manual mode for still photos* captured during movies or in Live View mode as well as video recording with the 5D Mark II. This can come in handy when you want to maintain correct exposure in changing light conditions with the shutter speed and aperture manually set. If you want to try Auto ISO for stills or movies, be sure to pick a shutter speed and aperture combo that's appropriate for the lighting conditions at hand.
• Although it is now possible to select wide apertures in any lighting condition, you may find that high shutter speeds can cause a "staccato" effect to moving subjects. ND filters are still very useful in bright light for this reason.
• Consider setting the shutter speed to approximately 1/50 to achieve a more "filmic" effect for video recordings with the 5D Mark II camera.
• Consider setting the camera's exposure level increments to the default 1/3 steps for finer control. (Custom Function I-1.)
• Consider the use of Highlight Tone Priority (Custom Function II-3-1) to preserve more highlight detail, especially in high-key or wide dynamic range shooting conditions.

*The EOS 5D Mark II must be set to Live View/Still + Movie/Movie Display in order to access variable Auto ISO in the camera's Manual mode. When Live View is off, Auto ISO is locked in at ISO 400 in the 5D Mark II's Manual mode.

From: http://digitaljournali​st.org/issue0906/tech-tips.html (external link)

Seems like it would be easy for them to make this possible with regular, non-Live View shooting. Maybe the next firmware update? :lol:


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Jun 08, 2009 10:36 |  #2

...never thought much about it, but just checked. The Green Square does auto ISO, auto SS, auto aperture, auto AF point, auto everything except auto shutter button. Don't know what that's all much good for though... :D


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...never thought much about it, but just checked. The Green Square does auto ISO, auto SS, auto aperture, auto AF point, auto everything except auto shutter button. Don't know what that's all much good for though... :D

Right, full auto is full auto. But that's not really what I'm talking about here.

For other brands, Auto ISO means you set the camera in Manual mode, choose your aperture and shutter speed, and the camera chooses whatever ISO is needed to make the proper exposure. For Canon, Auto ISO in manual mode is essentially disabled--it just locks itself at ISO 400. This has drawn complaints from many, but it now it looks like Canon is halfway to making the Auto ISO feature on the 5D MKII useful.


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Jun 08, 2009 11:24 |  #4

I was just kidding, even my G9 has auto ISO. Don't know why it's disabled on the 5D2 and why it's not, say, a C.Fn I function that can be enabled or disabled.


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Jun 08, 2009 12:08 as a reply to  @ John_T's post |  #5

Great info! Thanks for posting. :D


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Jun 08, 2009 14:23 as a reply to  @ Raginl3ull's post |  #6

I couldn't really see myself using auto ISO in M mode (except for maybe with video)...since I typically want a constant exposure in M mode. I suppose there are certain conditions where it could be useful (certain aperture desired when shooting under fluorescent lights).

Still would love to see selectable shutter speed ranges w/ auto ISO in Av mode.


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Jun 08, 2009 14:29 |  #7

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I couldn't really see myself using auto ISO in M mode (except for maybe with video)...since I typically want a constant exposure in M mode.

I agree, it's not a feature I really care about (I also think the whole reason to shoot manual is to get a constant exposure), but people have been complaining about Canon's implementation of this feature for quite some time.


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Jun 08, 2009 14:33 as a reply to  @ timnosenzo's post |  #8

I for one would love to see a real Auto ISO. As a sports shooter I could set my aperture and shutter speed and let the camera handle ISO during partly cloudy conditions where the sun is dipping in and out of the clouds. For most things though I shoot in M mode anyway. It would just be nice for a couple of occasions.


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Jun 08, 2009 14:56 |  #9

Okay, just tried it now and it didn't work, I updated the firmware earlier tonight so not sure why it's not working. Has anyone here tried it successfully?


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Billo78 wrote in post #8072496 (external link)
Okay, just tried it now and it didn't work, I updated the firmware earlier tonight so not sure why it's not working. Has anyone here tried it successfully?

Are you sure you have the Live View and Movie Mode set correctly? It''s kind of tricky.


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Jun 08, 2009 15:08 |  #11

For other brands, Auto ISO means you set the camera in Manual mode, choose your aperture and shutter speed, and the camera chooses whatever ISO is needed to make the proper exposure.

But...that's not "manual mode." That's an auto exposure mode.


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Billo78 wrote in post #8072496 (external link)
Okay, just tried it now and it didn't work, I updated the firmware earlier tonight so not sure why it's not working. Has anyone here tried it successfully?

Yeah, it works on mine.


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Jun 08, 2009 15:22 |  #13

Billo78 wrote in post #8072496 (external link)
Okay, just tried it now and it didn't work, I updated the firmware earlier tonight so not sure why it's not working. Has anyone here tried it successfully?

After completing the firmware update and turning off the camera, did you remove the batteries for at least 2 secs , per the instructions?


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Jun 08, 2009 15:36 |  #14

RDKirk wrote in post #8072588 (external link)
But...that's not "manual mode." That's an auto exposure mode.


Which is why it is called AUTO ISO I guess.

Seems to me a half baked (using the child friendly term here) attempt by Canon since it is only available in live view. As with most features I can see times when it would be useful (if live view was not needed) but in practice not something I would likely end up using.




  
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