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Man, most people don't know how to use cameras.

 
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Jun 08, 2009 17:20 |  #31

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You don't need a fancy camera or car to be an idiot. On the elevator today, a person mentioned that she went to a puppy farm in PA over the weekend. She mentioned that there was a group of about 7 "teacup size dogs" in one of the cages. The "Dog Expert" in the elevator said: "Those were the runts." he went on to explain: "Every liter has a runt that is much smaller than the other dogs. They just gathered up all of the runts from the various liters and put them in one cage." I bit my tongue.

OMG that is sooooooo funny!! Silly folks of course every living animal that has more than one is going to have a "runt" How can each one weigh the exact same size. Imagine if we used that term to woman who have twins or triplets!! Nobody ever wants the runts so would the woman give away her smaller baby LOL!! The word "runt" I thought really came from the animal "pig" Just to funny!:lol:


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Jun 08, 2009 17:24 |  #32

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There were many other examples, but I am sure I am preaching to the choir here. I just can't beleive so many people would spend $700-$3000 on a camera and then not even skim the manual.

I seem to recall something about the average person being able to read about the 6th grade level or somewhere like that. I think the average manual is too far beyond them so they don't even try.

OTOH, manuals aren't terrifically written either. The Jinglish is sometimes quite opaque in understandability. I can just imagine the quality of the Jitalian and the Jerman and the Frenpanese.

I just found this info on ACT.org website:
" About half of ACT-tested 2005 high school graduates lack at least some of these reading comprehension skills, based on ACT’s new College Readiness Benchmark in reading. ACT College Readiness Benchmarks are scores that indicate a student has a high probability (75 percent) of success in specific entry-level college courses. Success is defined as earning a grade of C or higher in the course.
ACT’s data show that students who score a 21 or higher on the ACT Reading Test are very likely to succeed in college-level social science courses. Only 51 percent of ACT-tested 2005 graduates reached or exceeded this score, suggesting that the other half of this fall’s college freshmen may struggle to keep up with the reading demands of many of their first-year college courses."

So 10% of the population goes to college, and only half of them have sufficient reading comprehension to get thru their college studies without difficulty. What does that indicate about the polulation in general?!


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Jun 08, 2009 17:25 |  #33

There seems to be three types of consumers in the technology markets these days.

1 - Ones who buy the throw away camera/pc/dvd cause they just want to use it once and dont care about the quality of the device or its output.

2 - Ones who expect the camera/pc/dvd to be configured the way they want it out-of-the-box and send it back when it doesn't work the way they expected.

3 - People that read the manual and come to sites like this for help.


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Jun 08, 2009 18:19 |  #34

While I notice this, it's unremarkable to me. It's why my photos are better than theirs. And it's the same reason that there are lots of folks here with better photos than mine; because they know more about how to capture them than I do.

I'm here precisely because I bought an expensive camera and needed to justify the expense by learning how to use it. There will come a time, probably soon, when I'll decide that I know enough to get the shots I want. I'll have no regrets; that's why there are professional photographers, because it's a better use of my time and money to pay YOU to get that graduation shot, that prom shot, those wedding pictures. YOU have all that time invested, you earned it!

Their results are directly proportional to their investment, in time and money and interest. It is that way for everyone. There are things they can do that I can't, after all, because they invested what I wouldn't or couldn't.


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Jun 08, 2009 18:30 |  #35

I wonder how many people in this thread have ever appeared as idiots to other people in some other endeavor? :cool:

Having said that, I wonder about people using flash at stadiums too, even though it was years until somebody told me otherwise that I made the connection.

I do think that many people just don't *know*... either that it's useless and/or how to turn the flash off.


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Jun 08, 2009 18:34 |  #36

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I wonder how many people in this thread have ever appeared as idiots to other people in some other endeavor? :cool:

My 14 year old tells me I look like an idiot in EVERY endeavor! :lol:

You bring up a good point, though, and I probably shouldn't judge people too harshly.


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Jun 08, 2009 18:57 |  #37

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No, Roy. It's not the same thing at all. Those who post are, presumably, trying to communicate. Otherwise, why post at all?

By using such atrocious grammar, they are demonstrating that, in their minds, we are simply not worth the effort to even try to use effective communication tools. I find this highly insulting.

This is why I simply don't answer such posts, even when the correct answer to their problem is obvious to me. If they can't put forth an effort to communicate, why should I waste my time responding.

Now if a person tries, as do virtually all the non-English speakers, that is another thing entirely. Casual inspection of the post can readily determine the difference.

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Jun 08, 2009 19:16 |  #38

Mosca wrote in post #8073643 (external link)
While I notice this, it's unremarkable to me. It's why my photos are better than theirs. And it's the same reason that there are lots of folks here with better photos than mine; because they know more about how to capture them than I do.

I don't doubt that they are indeed better. However, the same consumer we are talking about doesn't know or care about the difference. They only care in their perception of what is good, and that is the way it should be. I think this is why it is discussed, because generally the person buying the 1DMKII because they can, and not because they need to, would be supremely happy with a well shot picture from a decent P&S. It is only their perception that they need the most expensive gear to get such results, that soon parts them from their money.


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Jun 08, 2009 19:19 |  #39

If you see a clueless person in green box mode with a Rebel and kit lens, you are most likely seeing a person who became frustrated with a P&S. The most common motivator is shutter lag. They can't stand the lag of their P&S so they get a dSLR. And you know what? It works. A dSLR in green box takes similar pictures with no annoying lag.

The ones doing the same thing with more expensive bodies are simply people for whom $2000 is not a great deal of money and who are used to buying the best. These people are easy to upsell.


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Jun 08, 2009 22:00 |  #40

JeffreyG wrote in post #8073938 (external link)
If you see a clueless person in green box mode with a Rebel and kit lens, you are most likely seeing a person who became frustrated with a P&S. The most common motivator is shutter lag. They can't stand the lag of their P&S so they get a dSLR. And you know what? It works. A dSLR in green box takes similar pictures with no annoying lag.

The ones doing the same thing with more expensive bodies are simply people for whom $2000 is not a great deal of money and who are used to buying the best. These people are easy to upsell.

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Jun 08, 2009 22:06 |  #41

Now tell me why I shouldn't be offended by the term "Jinglish"?

If I say "Chinglish" around where I live, the Chinese folks around here would beat me to a pulp.

As for the stats, do you honestly thing standardized tests is a good measure of intelligence?

Wilt wrote in post #8073339 (external link)
I seem to recall something about the average person being able to read about the 6th grade level or somewhere like that. I think the average manual is too far beyond them so they don't even try.

OTOH, manuals aren't terrifically written either. The Jinglish is sometimes quite opaque in understandability. I can just imagine the quality of the Jitalian and the Jerman and the Frenpanese.

I just found this info on ACT.org website:
" About half of ACT-tested 2005 high school graduates lack at least some of these reading comprehension skills, based on ACT’s new College Readiness Benchmark in reading. ACT College Readiness Benchmarks are scores that indicate a student has a high probability (75 percent) of success in specific entry-level college courses. Success is defined as earning a grade of C or higher in the course.
ACT’s data show that students who score a 21 or higher on the ACT Reading Test are very likely to succeed in college-level social science courses. Only 51 percent of ACT-tested 2005 graduates reached or exceeded this score, suggesting that the other half of this fall’s college freshmen may struggle to keep up with the reading demands of many of their first-year college courses."

So 10% of the population goes to college, and only half of them have sufficient reading comprehension to get thru their college studies without difficulty. What does that indicate about the polulation in general?!




  
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Jun 08, 2009 22:08 |  #42

And if they have the money to drop money on something they don't really need, more power to them.

We could go on and on about this, but truth be told, those who complain about people with more expensive gear and less talent are just jealous.

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I don't doubt that they are indeed better. However, the same consumer we are talking about doesn't know or care about the difference. They only care in their perception of what is good, and that is the way it should be. I think this is why it is discussed, because generally the person buying the 1DMKII because they can, and not because they need to, would be supremely happy with a well shot picture from a decent P&S. It is only their perception that they need the most expensive gear to get such results, that soon parts them from their money.




  
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Jun 08, 2009 22:17 |  #43

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From a $200 camera.

Of course, it's woefully irrational to suggest that a $200 refurbished Nikon Coolpix P80, which produced these images, can consistently match the product from a 21st-century DSLR. At the extremes of lighting and framing, along with color reproduction, a DSLR will work better. However, the main point about cameras, as suggested in this thread, is that the most important component is the person behind the viewfinder.

I think you missed my point. I was making the same point you did above but was indicating that some people take the above opinion to zealot levels and still think their photography is top notch and it's not.

I tell people to not buy gear and just go take pictures all the time...


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Jun 08, 2009 22:23 |  #44

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And if they have the money to drop money on something they don't really need, more power to them.

We could go on and on about this, but truth be told, those who complain about people with more expensive gear and less talent are just jealous.

I don't think you read my posts. I said I couldn't care less what or why people spend their money on. I am no more jealous of the guy in his Porsche than I am of the guy with his Nikon D3X. I buy what I warrant is important to me and my circumstances. I also only expect to reach my potential in this life. I do not envy those that have more potential nor do I look down at those who may possess less. I couldn't be happier for those that can afford the best, regardless of their ability to use it. I'd be a hypocrite to say otherwise. I don't use everything I own to its potential, but I certainly buy the best I can afford!


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Jun 08, 2009 22:25 |  #45

nicksan wrote in post #8074878 (external link)
And if they have the money to drop money on something they don't really need, more power to them.

We could go on and on about this, but truth be told, those who complain about people with more expensive gear and less talent are just jealous.

Ah, the old jealousy card is out.


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