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Jun 08, 2009 19:14 |  #1

My daughter was getting the oil changed in her car, so we had an improptu photo shoot at a nearby park while we were waiting. C & C appreciated, and thanks for looking.

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Jun 08, 2009 19:41 |  #2

Hmm. Your shots seem to be on the soft side, and are not very sharp, but they could be a victim of your hosting website.

Your lighting is very flat - I assume you're using your flash straight on to your subject based on the shadow placement that I see in some of the images and from the fact there really isn't any shadows on her face to suggest otherwise. I would suggest trying to use your flash off camera and on a light stand and perhaps a small softbox to get a more pleasing effect.

She's a pretty girl though!


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Jun 08, 2009 21:21 |  #3

I think your shots are out of focus.


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Jun 08, 2009 21:38 |  #4

I think #4 is the winner, with #2 second.

#1 is Out of focus or there was camera shake


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Jun 08, 2009 21:47 |  #5

As a father, I would be worried about the last shot.


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Jun 08, 2009 23:35 |  #6

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Hmm. Your shots seem to be on the soft side, and are not very sharp, but they could be a victim of your hosting website.

Your lighting is very flat - I assume you're using your flash straight on to your subject based on the shadow placement that I see in some of the images and from the fact there really isn't any shadows on her face to suggest otherwise. I would suggest trying to use your flash off camera and on a light stand and perhaps a small softbox to get a more pleasing effect.

She's a pretty girl though!

Thanks Zansho for the C & C-you're correct the flash was on camera. I guess I need to invest in some PW's. Also, the photos were saved at 40% resolution for upload (and download) time, so that could account for the softness, however, I do agree that the first one is soft in the RAW file. I'm curious about the 'no shadows' comment you made-if I had used a ringlight, would that not have a similar effect?
Again, thanks for the comments. I checked out your website, and have bookmarked it for more detailed viewing when time permits.
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Jun 08, 2009 23:36 |  #7

Nicole Faith wrote in post #8074763 (external link)
As a father, I would be worried about the last shot.

Fixed!
And I do agree with the others on OOF.


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Jun 08, 2009 23:45 |  #8

seem like they are OFF and soft...


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Jun 08, 2009 23:55 |  #9

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Yup,
And I do agree with the others on OOF.

I'm concerned about the OOF comments-I was shooting in aperture priority, using 3.5 (with the intent of getting some bokeh), and had my camera set on AF, using the center point for metering. Most of the RAW files looked sharp to me when I zoomed in using LR. I do know that the DOF is shallow when using wider apertures, so I'm thinking maybe I should upload a full res image or two and link to them?

Thanks to all for the C & C, and I took your advice and removed the last image-didn't catch that!


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Jun 08, 2009 23:57 |  #10

Sugarman wrote in post #8075369 (external link)
I'm concerned about the OOF comments-I was shooting in aperture priority, using 3.5 (with the intent of getting some bokeh), and had my camera set on AF, using the center point for metering. Most of the RAW files looked sharp to me when I zoomed in using LR. I do know that the DOF is shallow when using wider apertures, so I'm thinking maybe I should upload a full res image or two and link to them?

Thanks to all for the C & C, and I took your advice and removed the last image-didn't catch that!

Did you put the center point on her eye to get focus? Thats what may be missing. But sure upload one to take a look at.
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Jun 09, 2009 00:45 |  #11

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Did you put the center point on her eye to get focus? Thats what may be missing. But sure upload one to take a look at.
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Will do, but it will be tomorrow. I'm at work right now, and don't have access to the RAW files.


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Jun 09, 2009 08:39 |  #12

Sugarman wrote in post #8075285 (external link)
Thanks Zansho for the C & C-you're correct the flash was on camera. I guess I need to invest in some PW's. Also, the photos were saved at 40% resolution for upload (and download) time, so that could account for the softness, however, I do agree that the first one is soft in the RAW file. I'm curious about the 'no shadows' comment you made-if I had used a ringlight, would that not have a similar effect?
Again, thanks for the comments. I checked out your website, and have bookmarked it for more detailed viewing when time permits.
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Ringlight has a different quality about it, and your shadow placement would be directly behind the subject, all around the edges depending on how far your subject is from the background. Also, the catchlights in the eyes from a ring light are markedly different.

You don't need pocketwizards - they're nice, certainly, but there are less expensive alternatives out there, and some are as cheap as 10 bucks. Get a PC to PC sync cord (about 10 feet long or so) and you can do off camera that way. You can buy Cybersyncs from Alienbees, for a fraction of the price of pocketwizards.

Most of the time when I'm shooting something like that, I generally make the ambient light 1 stop under my flash and use the flash as my main light. Sometimes going the other way around (flash fill, ambient main) is a good way to go, just depends on the subject, you, and what you're looking for.

Also, maybe adding some contrast via Lightroom (increase the black slider a few points) might help your sharpness issue and give your photos more pop.


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Jun 09, 2009 09:30 |  #13

Thanks again Zansho for the comments. After reviewing the shots again this morning (i"m not quite as tired this AM as I was yesterday), some of the shots (in the shadows) had a ss of 1/20-even with the is on the lens, I'm sure I had some camera shake going on. I will check out a sync cord and the other options I mentioned.
As promised, I have uploaded a higher res pic:

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Jun 09, 2009 11:00 |  #14

Hey Bill I hope someone else chimes in that has more experience then me. I do not see the OOF issues in your high Res pic and now that has me wondering how you did your save to get the OOF. I know I had seen some posts concerning "sharpening" for web but I had not paid too much attention to it as I usually post higher res pictures anyway.
I will follow this post to see what others are recommending.
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Jun 09, 2009 15:21 |  #15

One thing you have to keep in mind that image stabilization is not a dependable crutch to use to help your images, and to be frank, shooting at 1/20th of a second in that kind of lighting is probably not needed.

Use image stabilization as a last resort is the ideal method, it should never be depended on to help you get a sharp image from the get go.

As for your workflow, if you're using photoshop, I would suggest duplicating your layer, then applying a high pass filter to your duplicate layer - just enough amount to see some detail, but not so much you see everything. Once you've done that, change the blend mode to soft light and that should help sharpen your image. After that's done, save your image as for the web - it's listed in the file > save part of photoshop. That'll help keep its quality and sharpness.


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