what person would still work with a canon digital rebel?

cdifoto wrote in post #8195803
Because high ISO looks like ass and scanning is a pain in the same.

I shoot Kodak P3200 Tmax all the time and the results are always great. The detail is amazing, while it may not compete with the 5D II, it still competes with many other cameras in just pure detail captured. Scanning a whole rule of film takes me maybe 1-2 hrs total for scanning and PP but my film shots take alot less PP than my digital ones.

While true digital is a lot more flexible at shooting at say a wedding doesn't even come close to saying that "even a rebel is better than what was in the film days"

Photo13 wrote in post #8195845
I shoot Kodak P3200 Tmax all the time and the results are always great. The detail is amazing, while it may not compete with the 5D II, it still competes with many other cameras in just pure detail captured. Scanning a whole rule of film takes me maybe 1-2 hrs total for scanning and PP but my film shots take alot less PP than my digital ones.

Still looks like ass. 1-2 hours per roll? Even at the larger 36 exposure rolls that's a lot of time wasted. I have a thousand or so digital images offloaded to my computer in less time.

I met only 1 with "pro" gear live..

all the rest Ive seen got entry lvls and a semi pro d200, 30d, 50d max as their best.

maybe you should reverse the question . All cameras do nice photos.

I think it's almost silly to say 'she might be amazing and not need the good gear'... because if she is amazing, she probably knows it, and would think to invest in her talent.
It can't really be possible for her to think that nicer gear couldn't make her pictures any better... unless she knew nothing about how to work a camera that is, and in that case, it's unlikely her pic's are 'amazing' anyway!

Saying she could be an amazing photographer who doesn't need gear just doesn't stand up as an argument.

I don't think we need good gear to make good photo's, but if she knew she was good, she'd improve her system.

Having good gear definitely helps getting the photos easier.

Jethro790 wrote in post #8195424
Digital Rebel cameras suck! I can't get a single decent picture out of mine. Here are a few of the garbage shots I have decided not to delete for some reason. I can't see why a single photographer would waste their time with such a toy!

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See what I mean? Horrid, vile, underperforming camera. I may just throw it in the dumpster today.

There is a lot of chroma noise in the first shot. Red and blue chroma noise. Horrible.
The moon in the second shot is strangely blue-tinted, and the sky too! Obviously it's a WB error.
In the last shoot the background is out of focus. That dammed camera can't focus properly.
Awful.

Marcos Dantas

Marcos Dantas wrote in post #8196972
There is a lot of chroma noise in the first shot. Red and blue chroma noise. Horrible.
The moon in the second shot is strangely blue-tinted, and the sky too! Obviously it's a WB error.
In the last shoot the background is out of focus. That dammed camera can't focus properly.
Awful.

Marcos Dantas

I agree.I think you should toss it and go with a nice Point and Shoot.

This guy has some kick-butt nature photography made with a 10D
Vozen

2000$ made on this picture and presented in the main hallway of a college:
Determination Of The Crew

and it was made with one of these!:
canon powershot sx100

My .02/3 of a cent; its the photog, not the gear.

Karl Johnston wrote in post #8198231
This guy has some kick-butt nature photography made with a 10D
Vozen

2000$ made on this picture and presented in the main hallway of a college:
Determination Of The Crew

and it was made with one of these!:
canon powershot sx100

My .02/3 of a cent; its the photog, not the gear.

that shot would be even better with a wide angle screw on lens!:p

Jethro790 wrote in post #8195424
Digital Rebel cameras suck! I can't get a single decent picture out of mine. Here are a few of the garbage shots I have decided not to delete for some reason. I can't see why a single photographer would waste their time with such a toy!

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See what I mean? Horrid, vile, underperforming camera. I may just throw it in the dumpster today.

cute pics etc, but with respect...you shot plants, fireworks and the moon. the rebel is a great camera...i love mine even though I have other bodies and will never ever sell it, but

shooting a wedding is an entirley different ball game. you don't play in the NFL with sandlot seakers.

shayneyasinski wrote in post #8187957
I was able to sit and talk for about an hour with the girl and I have to say that she will be the first to say she does not know much about her camera and wants to learn more and then buy a new camera and a new lens but she is having a baby and simply does not have the money.
she does weddings for friends and charges around the $500 dollar mark so her work I am sure is ok but not up to my standards for IQ.

I gave her my case of gear to use and she declined but did try my 24-70L and 70-200 2.8 IS and was taken buy the speed and sharpness that she saw in just her camera lcd.
(just a note the 24-70L was borrowed from my good friend and I am planning on buying my own )

we talked about ISO and a few other setting and she is also going to buy a sub to popular photography that I suggested and also looking into this site as well.

In the end I saw that she kinda just fell into the field and needs new stuff but at this time will have to wait.

While the rest of your are debating the merits of the digital Rebel..I'm surprised y'all missed this post. The OP did the right thing here. He gave this girl a shot to show what talent she has (or doesn't have) and guided her into new possibilities by pointing out resources and giving her tips. Hey, we all started somewhere and this girl was lucky to meet someone who took the time to get her pointed in the right direction. What matters is we have two people - an eager student and a patient teacher.

lost canadian wrote in post #8218344
While the rest of your are debating the merits of the digital Rebel..I'm surprised y'all missed this post. The OP did the right thing here. He gave this girl a shot to show what talent she has (or doesn't have) and guided her into new possibilities by pointing out resources and giving her tips. Hey, we all started somewhere and this girl was lucky to meet someone who took the time to get her pointed in the right direction. What matters is we have two people - an eager student and a patient teacher.

That's very true.

when 450 drops a bit.. I am about to get 1 or 2 for m every day things... and save my other babys for me. I've seen photographer " company who gets jobs like advert for a store.." snaping with compact ones.. 450 is a jewel with nice glass and nice flash

all photographers in greece do their heavy duty job with cheap models because they lose lots of interest if they use their upgraded equipment.. except if its a studio, agency or HUGE work with good money, only then I may used my very good stuff.. right now I use my 40d and eos-5, but looking at the market every day.. I believe I have to downgrade a bit as I still loose a bit of interest versus others, a 450 will be great! ... the market, is the reality (small shops building their websites, couples get married..).. if the market's demand stays behind, the need to upgrade and use of new technologys.. stays behind as well. I love tech and new stuff, but for me and I do upgrade all the time my stuff..

I hope they will do something about photographers instead, so nobody can get a job for 50bucks with any kind of result but just for the price.. and true photographers lose interest and customers because of it..


edit: now I hope you understand what I am talking about..

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Atlandis wrote in post #8219056
when 450 drops a bit.. I am about to get 1 or 2 for m every day things... and save my other babys for me. I've seen photographer " company who gets jobs like advert for a store.." snaping with compact ones.. 450 is a jewel with nice glass and nice flash

all photographers do their heavy duty job with cheap models because they loose lots of interest if they use their babys.. except if its an egancy or HUGE work with good money, only then I may used my very good stuff.. right now I use my 40d but looking at the market every day.. I believe I have to downgrade a bit as I still loose a bit of interest versus others... the every day market and not the HIGH super wow fashion and bolywood.. hehe stuff is not the reality.. if the market and the demand stays behind, the need to upgrade and use of new technologys.. stays behind. I love tech and new stuff, but for me..

I have no idea what you are talking about. Losing interest ?