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Jul 02, 2009 14:11 |  #1

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New research by a team of University of Toronto scientists could lead to substantial advancements in the performance of a variety of electronic devices including digital cameras

TORONTO, ON – New research by a team of University of Toronto scientists could lead to substantial advancements in the performance of a variety of electronic devices including digital cameras. The paper appears in the June 19 edition of the journal Science.
Researchers created a light sensor – like a pixel in a digital camera – that benefits from a phenomenon known as multi-exciton generation (MEG). Until now, no group had collected an electrical current from a device that takes advantage of MEG.
"Digital cameras are now universal, but they suffer from a major limitation: they take poor pictures under dim light. One reason for this is that the image sensor chips inside cameras collect, at most, one electron's worth of current for every photon (particle of light) that strikes the pixel," says Ted Sargent, professor in U of T's Department of Electrical and Computer Engineering. "Instead generating multiple excitons per photon could ultimately lead to better low-light pictures."
In solar cells and digital cameras, particles of light - known as photons - are absorbed in a semiconductor, such a silicon, and generate excited electrons, known as excitons. The semiconductor chip then measures a current that flows as a result. Normally, each photon is converted into at most one exciton. This lowers the efficiency of solar cells and it limits the sensitivity of digital cameras. When a scene is dimly lit, small portable cameras like those in laptops suffer from noise and grainy images as a result of the small number excitons.
"Multi-exciton generation breaks the conventional rules that bind traditional semiconductor devices," says Sargent. "This finding shows that it's more than a fascinating concept: the tangible benefits of multiple excitons can be seen in a light sensor's measured current."

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Jul 02, 2009 15:31 |  #2

Yay Toronto!


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Jul 02, 2009 15:41 as a reply to  @ kay188's post |  #3

Canadians take another big step ahead. Good Old U of T , brains at work. Now off to market with their invention, make money, lastly then the digital camera industry can build full frame cameras in the price range for the average joe. bw!




  
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Jul 02, 2009 15:47 |  #4

Even if they manage to prevent color issues (works like photosynthesis, so certain frequencies (colors) cause a much stonger reaction), we wouldn't see this for ages.


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Jul 02, 2009 15:52 |  #5

I assume that digital sensor will be getting "better" in the future and that ISO performance at 6400 and up will be like 200-400 right now. This is why I resisted buying any EF f/2.8 zooms. I'm happy with my 24-105 and 70-200 f/4 zooms and getting happier with each new digital sensor. I'm also waiting for the mkII version of the 17-40/4L with IS.

If I need less DOF or need to shoot in really low light, I have my primes for that down to f/1.4.


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Jul 02, 2009 16:13 |  #6

oaktree wrote in post #8213735 (external link)
I assume that digital sensor will be getting "better" in the future and that ISO performance at 6400 and up will be like 200-400 right now. This is why I resisted buying any EF f/2.8 zooms. I'm happy with my 24-105 and 70-200 f/4 zooms and getting happier with each new digital sensor. I'm also waiting for the mkII version of the 17-40/4L with IS.

If I need less DOF or need to shoot in really low light, I have my primes for that down to f/1.4.

I doubt you'd see a 17-40 with IS...


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Jul 02, 2009 16:15 |  #7

KenjiS wrote in post #8213836 (external link)
I doubt you'd see a 17-40 with IS...

I'm a very patient man:)


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Jul 02, 2009 16:16 |  #8

Yeah 17-40mm isn't really a range that needs IS. That and the fact the 17-40 is a new lens in the Canon lineup, don't expect an MKII anytime soon, when they do, it will probably just be the SWC on the front element.


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Jul 02, 2009 16:20 |  #9

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Yeah 17-40mm isn't really a range that needs IS. That and the fact the 17-40 is a new lens in the Canon lineup, don't expect an MKII anytime soon, when they do, it will probably just be the SWC on the front element.

Exactly my thinking

By the time you're beyond handholding it [1/20th or so] you're in tripod territory anyways....IS might help a little, but its probubly not worth the hassle...


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Jul 02, 2009 17:31 |  #10

oaktree wrote in post #8213735 (external link)
I assume that digital sensor will be getting "better" in the future and that ISO performance at 6400 and up will be like 200-400 right now. This is why I resisted buying any EF f/2.8 zooms. I'm happy with my 24-105 and 70-200 f/4 zooms and getting happier with each new digital sensor. I'm also waiting for the mkII version of the 17-40/4L with IS.

If I need less DOF or need to shoot in really low light, I have my primes for that down to f/1.4.

what if 17-40F4 IS cost the same or slight more than 16-35f2.8, say $1500, will you still get it? Look at what canon did to 70-200f4 IS.


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Jul 02, 2009 17:36 |  #11

basroil wrote in post #8213714 (external link)
Even if they manage to prevent color issues (works like photosynthesis, so certain frequencies (colors) cause a much stonger reaction), we wouldn't see this for ages.

Always the optimist, eh? :)


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eelnoraa wrote in post #8214257 (external link)
what if 17-40F4 IS cost the same or slight more than 16-35f2.8, say $1500, will you still get it? Look at what canon did to 70-200f4 IS.

Comparing current average price of a 70-200/4 and the IS version (1.82 times more for the IS), an IS version of the 17-40/4 would cost about $1319. A hefty price!!

But if Canon puts improvements into the 17-40/4L IS like they put into the 70-200/4L IS versus the non-IS version (e.g., sharp wide open, fast AF, 4-stop IS), I would still buy it.

BTW: Amazon has the 70-200/4L for $560, about $50 less than other sites.


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Jul 03, 2009 11:16 as a reply to  @ oaktree's post |  #14

ISO 256000 anyone?


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Jul 03, 2009 11:33 |  #15

Always the optimist, eh? :)

Unfortunately, all news about a promising new technology tend to end with a statement mentioning how it will probably take 5-10 years before the said technology is ready to be used in a commercial product... it's understandable, but so irritating. :lol:


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