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Jul 08, 2009 14:48 |  #16

TMR Design wrote in post #8246490 (external link)
Sorry, but that's uncalled for. Discussion and disagreement are part of public forums but senseless insults like this have no place here.

Robert, thanks.


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Jul 08, 2009 14:54 |  #17

TMR Design wrote in post #8246699 (external link)
The problem more than likely is that it can't be done at a price that Buff can deliver to consumers that makes sense and still makes his products more affordable than other brands and more expensive systems.

Agree.

To what it looks to me, AB is very a small company, more like mom/pop shop. It is quite hard to make sure everything is lined propery for the little guy. Problem I think is that Paul promised too much stuff in advance. I would have provided some features but kept something for final product introduction time, when everything was working bug freee.


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Jul 08, 2009 15:22 |  #18
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drh681 wrote in post #8246669 (external link)
Radio control on one channel for one function is simple. i.e. garage door openers, or blutooth gadgets.
Radio control over multiple channels and for multiple functions is a bit more arcane, especially if you want it all to happen in a finely split second.
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I am looking at my car remote and it has 4 buttons. By the way I have never heard that they would fail. There are already ready solutions, just use something that is developed already, like specialized programmed microchips that cost cents.

Blue tooth gadgets: they are far more complicated than a flash trigger must be and in fact deliver communication of unlimited number of channels.

As for the speed: Only the trigger function must be fast, and it is already there in any decent remote trigger including cybersynch. The speed of the power control for example has no impact on anything.


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Jul 08, 2009 15:36 |  #19

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I am looking at my car remote and it has 4 buttons. By the way I have never heard that they would fail. There are already ready solutions, just use something that is developed already, like specialized programmed microchips that cost cents.

Blue tooth gadgets: they are far more complicated than a flash trigger must be and in fact deliver communication of unlimited number of channels.

As for the speed: Only the trigger function must be fast, and it is already there in any decent remote trigger including cybersynch. The speed of the power control for example has no impact on anything.

Are we talking about CC or just the flash trigger as AB flash triggers are already out.

CC does lot more atleast on paper. It has flash lightmeter, flash trigger and radio remote control of power for different banks of lights in one unit. I will be surprised if you can make one using a off the shelf chips without custom programming. And good embedded SW guys aren't cheap and easily available for small shops.


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Jul 08, 2009 16:14 as a reply to  @ bobbyz's post |  #20

According to the proposed feature set of the Cyber Commander, it is a far more complicated device than a TV remote or a key fob for your car.


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Jul 08, 2009 16:28 |  #21
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Who cares? Doesnt effect the gear I already own and get great results from.


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Jul 08, 2009 17:51 |  #22

Benji wrote in post #8246010 (external link)
I am guessing a HUGE part of the problem is the federal government. A better radio "popper" is exactly what terrorists are looking for. Something that can trip a flash unit (or a bomb) at a far enough distance that the trigger man won't be killed also. Have you tried to buy a battery powered remote control to turn regular lights on and off lately?

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Visit X10.com, they have all you could want.

If you're going to go that route, you can trigger a bomb with a cell phone from quite a safe distance. Pick up a couple disposable phones and you've got your terrorist device.




  
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Jul 09, 2009 11:05 |  #23

Paul has just sent an email explaining the delay. Apparently he used outside engineering services to design a 'switching"(digital control) power supply instead of an analogue design.

Motion picture projection lamps can be powered by with swicthing power supplies as well as the regular more traditional type. The switching supplies are much disliked by projectonist and tend to be very unreliable.

Pauls note indicates they are redesigning the Max ps "in house".

Using outside engineering for a high tech product is always a crap shoot. I had experience where outside "experts" designed a chemical distillation unit that was supposed to produce the product in liters per hour. The full scale unit produced drops per hour and the 90% of the time the product flashed off in the receiving container...I mean flash the way we know it.

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Jul 09, 2009 11:08 |  #24

dmdctusa wrote in post #8251291 (external link)
Paul has just sent an email explaining the delay. Apparently he used outside engineering services to design a 'switching"(digital control) power supply instead of an analogue design.

Motion picture projection lamps can be powered by with swicthing power supplies as well as the regular more traditional type. The switching supplies are much disliked by projectonist and tend to be very unreliable.

Pauls note indicates they are redesigning the Max ps "in house".

Using outside engineering for a high tech product is always a crap shoot. I had experience where outside "experts" designed a chemical distillation unit that was supposed to produce the product in liters per hour. The full scale unit produced drops per hour and the 90% of the time the product flashed off in the receiving container...I mean flash the way we know it.

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Jul 09, 2009 11:29 |  #25
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dmdctusa wrote in post #8251291 (external link)
Paul has just sent an email explaining the delay. Apparently he used outside engineering services to design a 'switching"(digital control) power supply instead of an analogue design.

Motion picture projection lamps can be powered by with swicthing power supplies as well as the regular more traditional type. The switching supplies are much disliked by projectonist and tend to be very unreliable.

Pauls note indicates they are redesigning the Max ps "in house".

Using outside engineering for a high tech product is always a crap shoot. I had experience where outside "experts" designed a chemical distillation unit that was supposed to produce the product in liters per hour. The full scale unit produced drops per hour and the 90% of the time the product flashed off in the receiving container...I mean flash the way we know it.

David

I've seen so many project failures and very rarely a person(s) responsible for the project accepted his responsibility for the failure. Most often the blame is put on someone that is not given a word to defend himself, in this case the outside consultant.
Even if the reason of the fiasco was the 3rd party consultants it was the responsibilty of the hiring party to make sure they pick up somebody with a proven record of success and are on the same page with the company.

Still the theme of the post is not this. We have 3 consequtive products that follow the same scenario: Hype - delay - failure.
One could easily imagine that there was no new product at all, there was just an attempt to keep the consumers from going with other brands in anticipation of a magic wand.


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Jul 09, 2009 13:24 |  #26

I agree with Robert, when you have a target customer market, you price your products that match products which customers demand. So you design to market price - features, dependability, quality built, reliability, value.


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