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Jul 11, 2009 13:31 |  #16

just another ISO 10,000 shot i happened to be playing with... shot 6400 and pushed 2/3 stop...
and for those interested - this has NO noise removal yet.

Seems viewing at 800 on long side can make ANYTHING look good.. and this is the moral of the story.

http://emotion.smugmug​.com …768_QmguQ#58800​8662_sR85F (external link) has original size of both these shots before and after noise removal if you are interested at truly pixel peeping.

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Jul 11, 2009 13:39 as a reply to  @ Super-Nicko's post |  #17

Eh....

I think whats been said above is true, That is in fact ISO10,000 and the lack of visible noise is because he resized it to the point the noise is just not visible anymore...

There's no EXIF data in those images, so who knows. Every comparison I've seen between the 5D2 and D700, where one or both images were downsized to match (which is what happens when you print or post an image), the 5D2 was cleaner.

Isnt that because the pixel density is great that when you downsize to a web-sized or printout that the noise is just too fine detailed to come out in a downsized or printed image?

I heard one thing that said most noise tests are sorta messed up right now because they use a 100% crop, which means something like a 5D2 or a 50D is going to look a lot worse because a 100% crop from them is a lot bigger, and thus the noise is more visible compared to a 12mp or 10mp camera....


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Jul 11, 2009 14:03 |  #18

KenjiS wrote in post #8263140 (external link)
Eh....

I think whats been said above is true, That is in fact ISO10,000 and the lack of visible noise is because he resized it to the point the noise is just not visible anymore...

And that's the only thing that sells 5D mark IIs against D700s, because the feature set of the 5D II sure isn't any better than or as good as the D700, and it's a much less responsive camera.


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Jul 11, 2009 15:23 |  #19

Correct! That would be the non-so Jaw-dropping ISO Performance from D700...

Super-Nicko wrote in post #8263100 (external link)
just another ISO 10,000 shot i happened to be playing with... shot 6400 and pushed 2/3 stop...
and for those interested - this has NO noise removal yet.

QUOTED IMAGE

Without a doubt.

Pretty much ANY camera in the 1D3/D3/5D2/D700 range of ISO performace is going to look good at teensy/weensie sizes, like the D700 samples posted here.

MOREOVER, when you downsize that much, you can affor the luxury of substantial sharpening applied at final, resized dimensions, and boost even more whatever detail survived such massive reduction of size.

Yours is a very, very good example.

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Jul 11, 2009 15:43 |  #20

I know there are some doubters, but I beleive it...I tried the D700 in the shop at 6400 and the quality is radiculous even at a 100% crop.

I can't seem to find the samples on this pc....I'll post them if I do! :)

The D700 is an incredible high iso beast!


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Jul 11, 2009 15:47 |  #21

And here are mine... Small-and-tight for those that...

PIXmantra wrote in post #8263517 (external link)
MOREOVER, when you downsize that much, you can affor the luxury of substantial sharpening applied at final, resized dimensions, and boost even more whatever detail survived such massive reduction of size.

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...that enjoy the artificial "awe" that small, teenie/weenie files can provide:

ISo10,000ec on Eos 1D MarkIII:

IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/114844273/original.jpg


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And this is the Osprey with mid-tones and highlights beyond ISo25,600 (ISO3200+2.00ec+massiv​e Levels + Curves + FlexNR-v2.0):
IMAGE: http://www.pbase.com/feharmat/image/114844276/original.jpg



Therefore, let me finish by stating something that will certainly broke some "hearts", although the results speak by themselves:

The "high-ISO" performance of Nikon's D3/D700 has been over-inflated, over-rated for basically a year and change, except for their ability to cook the files on-board with no external processing (which is a real productivity gain if you are going to deliver every single file you shoot, whether it is a good frame or not).

Enjoy!

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Jul 11, 2009 15:54 as a reply to  @ post 8263024 |  #22

PIXmantra wrote in post #8262849 (external link)
What I will do is that I post the ISo10,000ec samples and the OSPREY shot (beyond ISo25,600) shown in my prvious post at the SAME size of those samples you showed, and then it will all be clear, for everyone.

Thanks ... I am having trouble sleeping so that'll help.

I am so bored with these crummy Nikon/Canon threads. Just tubby middle-aged guys pulling fluff from their belly-buttons.


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Jul 11, 2009 16:02 |  #23

condyk wrote in post #8263649 (external link)
Thanks ... I am having trouble sleeping so that'll help.

I am so bored with these crummy Nikon/Canon threads. Just tubby middle-aged guys pulling fluff from their belly-buttons.

Couldn't have said it better!;)


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Jul 11, 2009 17:23 |  #24

condyk wrote in post #8263649 (external link)
Thanks ... I am having trouble sleeping so that'll help.

I am so bored with these crummy Nikon/Canon threads. Just tubby middle-aged guys pulling fluff from their belly-buttons.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

That's probably the first thing that's ever made me laugh (out loud) from a thread comparing Noink to Canon. :)

Thanks.



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Jul 11, 2009 17:40 as a reply to  @ Brett's post |  #25

Not sure why those are "Jaw Dropping". I think all of the top end cameras from both Canon and Nikon are all reasonably close when it comes to ISO Noise. (Well...the 5DMKII does have that dang banding...)

Don't shoot H1 and H2 at all, so I can only offer up test shots from when I first got the 5D MKII...

We are talking resized pics here so...

ISO12800

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Jul 11, 2009 17:53 |  #26

Let me help you out of your misery...

condyk wrote in post #8263649 (external link)
Thanks ... I am having trouble sleeping so that'll help.

I am so bored with these crummy Nikon/Canon threads. Just tubby middle-aged guys pulling fluff from their belly-buttons.

...For you sir:

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Bon voyage,

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Jul 11, 2009 18:13 |  #27

Hey, I ain't no "tubby middle-aged guy"...but I do rather enjoy pulling fluff from my belly button and then smelling said fluff.

You must be mistaking me for MDJAK...now talk about old.
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Jul 11, 2009 18:16 |  #28

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Ive been in the Canon camp for 25 years but when you see shots from the Nikon D700 at ISO10.000 it really makes you wonder.

Check this out http://photocamel.com …deo-d700-iso-10000-a.html (external link)

Can 5D MKII or 1D MKIII come near this?

I think some Canon user should invest:

$2,700 for a D700(B&H photo with rebates)
$1,900 for a Nikon 70-200(B&H photovideo assuming this would work in a similar shot).

That person should then take a similar shot as shown in the OP's post....assuming the OP isn't a Nikon user trying to bait this group.

$4,600 in Nikon gear paid out from some dedicated Canon fan could settle this for us.

Oh...by the way....don't ask me to do this....I'm happy with Canon...and I use Nikon when I work for the local newspaper.

Sorry Nikon...not worth the extra $$$ over Canon.

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Jul 11, 2009 19:21 |  #29

I dont think its a nikon vs canon thread at all.... i think its more a high iso when resized for web thread.... a canon v nikon one would point out scientific comparisons that really dont matter.

regardless of the camera used the shots look great! These are the sorts of situations that sometimes need high ISO and high shutter speed... perfect for the new breed of canons and nikons!

Looking at high ISO shots is about getting as much out of an image as possible usually after you have taken it - trying to do the best of a bad situation... and then seeing the results. Also knowing what you can get away with - at a push

Canon vs Nikon means your actually willing to dump usually at least 10k worth of equipment for what? a supposed 1 stop difference - in a zone that most dont even shoot in - i get it if you are an indoor sports shooter or something similar - but they are so specialised they can probably afford to swap to stay at the top of their game... otherwise its a debate not worth getting into!

if your processing iso 6400 shots daily then there isnt even any point arguing - that is the point where you shoot both and choose.

god knows how it was done in the days of film.


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Jul 11, 2009 20:16 |  #30

westernminnguy wrote in post #8264218 (external link)
That person should then take a similar shot as shown in the OP's post....assuming the OP isn't a Nikon user trying to bait this group.

:D

Hallucinating or?????? If you've read my first post i said that i have been shooting Canon for 25 years. Nikon user baiting this group.....my oh my this is getting out of hand, how sad.



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