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Jul 11, 2009 20:32 |  #31

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I dont think its a nikon vs canon thread at all.... i think its more a high iso when resized for web thread.... a canon v nikon one would point out scientific comparisons that really dont matter.

regardless of the camera used the shots look great! These are the sorts of situations that sometimes need high ISO and high shutter speed... perfect for the new breed of canons and nikons!

Looking at high ISO shots is about getting as much out of an image as possible usually after you have taken it - trying to do the best of a bad situation... and then seeing the results. Also knowing what you can get away with - at a push

Canon vs Nikon means your actually willing to dump usually at least 10k worth of equipment for what? a supposed 1 stop difference - in a zone that most dont even shoot in - i get it if you are an indoor sports shooter or something similar - but they are so specialised they can probably afford to swap to stay at the top of their game... otherwise its a debate not worth getting into!

if your processing iso 6400 shots daily then there isnt even any point arguing - that is the point where you shoot both and choose.

god knows how it was done in the days of film.

Thank you Nicko, finally someone that actually understand that this wasn't meant to be a C vs. N thread. I just shared an example of what i believe was brilliant images of good high ISO performance.

Others have posted other examples which also looks great (at least ISO wise) , good to know that "OUR" brand is equals the competition ISO wise. Though i bet that if these images were posted as Canon images in here the response would have been rather different.

I'm very happy with my Canons and will probably stick another 25 years with them.



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Jul 11, 2009 20:54 |  #32

PIXmantra wrote in post #8263613 (external link)
...that enjoy the artificial "awe" that small, teenie/weenie files can provide:



The "high-ISO" performance of Nikon's D3/D700 has been over-inflated, over-rated for basically a year and change, except for their ability to cook the files on-board with no external processing (which is a real productivity gain if you are going to deliver every single file you shoot, whether it is a good frame or not).

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Great examples PIX and thanks for sharing them.

Though i disagree that D3/700 are over-inflated or over-rated in any way. Surely Canon have equally good or better bodies but to call Nikon's latest bodies over-inflated or over-rated is just nonsense.

Just by looking at the pro shooters stand in any sports event today and compare that to how it looked two years ago we all know the story is way different.



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Jul 11, 2009 21:14 |  #33

It rather makes sense, though...

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Great examples PIX and thanks for sharing them.

My pleasure.

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Though i disagree that D3/700 are over-inflated or over-rated in any way. Surely Canon have equally good or better bodies but to call Nikon's latest bodies over-inflated or over-rated is just nonsense.

While I understand that this statement may come initially as shocking to you, I must insist that it rather aligns well with practical reality, though.

I do concede that, in terms of productivity, Nikon takes the lead because it cooks its stuff a whole lot more on-board than Canon's conservative approach. Therefore, if .JPGs are critical for your job, you will get them done faster with Nikon, provided that you need Noise Reduction (especially past ISo2000).

Now, as to ultimate Image Quality potential, the story is different, and Nikon has been pretty much overrated, because if such "supremacy" would have ever been true and fully sustained, we obviously could not achieve the superb results we are seeing here, from a camera that does not offer "ISo12,800 & 25,600" on-board, to begin with... :)

As soon as I saw stuff like these from the D3 (held at Imaging Resource, which is, in my opinion, the very best camera resource center currently available on the web), it was pretty much clear to me what it was all about:

http://www.imaging-resource.com …3_2009-01-08_20-34-30.HTM (external link)

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Just by looking at the pro shooters stand in any sports event today and compare that to how it looked two years ago we all know the story is way different.

No, my friend, not really different.

Just take a look here in the U.S. at all sports/golf/action events (prime events, prime time), if you watched the Wimbledon final, and (interestingly), look at Japan's Air Show with its own mini-expo of photo-equipment (like 3:1 to Canon, at least):

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Jul 11, 2009 21:22 |  #34

PIXmantra wrote in post #8264879 (external link)
No, my friend, not really different.

Just take a look here in the U.S. at all sports/golf/action events (prime events, prime time), if you watched the Wimbledon final, and (interestingly), look at Japan's Air Show with its own mini-expo of photo-equipment (like 2:1 to Canon, at least):

> http://img139.imagesha​ck.us/img139/887/06021​.jpg (external link)

Also note, of those Nikon lenses, 3 of them are Manual Focus Ai-S lenses, one looks like an 1200mm f/11, a 400 f/3.5 and a 400 f/2.8 with a 2x teleconverter on it....

On the AF side, I see 2 300 f/2.8s, a pair of 400 f/2.8s, a pair of 600 f/4s and I think one sole 500 f/4....I could be wrong :)

Also i see a sole pentax in there...at least according to the hood

And i feel like a big freaking nerd for identifying them like that :(


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Jul 11, 2009 21:45 |  #35

PIXmantra wrote in post #8264879 (external link)
My pleasure.

I do concede that, in terms of productivity, Nikon takes the lead because it cooks its stuff a whole lot more on-board than Canon's conservative approach. Therefore, if .JPGs are critical for your job, you will get them done faster with Nikon, provided that you need Noise Reduction (especially past ISo2000).

Now, as to ultimate Image Quality potential, the story is different, and Nikon has been pretty much overrated, because if such "supremacy" would have ever been true and fully sustained, we obviously could not achieve the superb results we are seeing here, from a camera that does not offer "ISo12,800 & 25,600" on-board, to begin with... :)

Very well explained and i couldn't agree more.

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As soon as I saw stuff like these from the D3 (held at Imaging Resource, which is, in my opinion, the very best camera resource center currently available on the web), it was pretty much clear to me what it was all about:

http://www.imaging-resource.com …3_2009-01-08_20-34-30.HTM (external link)

That looks.....errrrr scary. Is that from a mobile phone???

PIXmantra wrote in post #8264879 (external link)
No, my friend, not really different.

Just take a look here in the U.S. at all sports/golf/action events (prime events, prime time), if you watched the Wimbledon final, and (interestingly), look at Japan's Air Show with its own mini-expo of photo-equipment (like 3:1 to Canon, at least):

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Well that image don't tell the whole story. If you would have turned the camera to the right the black line goes on and on.......:lol:.......kidding. Is that shot yours by the way?

At least in EU the increase of N have been really significant. A few years back it was almost a rarity to see any black guns at all. The "famous" shots from Beijing also shows their growth amongst independent pro's and agencies.

Though i think this is really positive for us in the end as Canon have been playing far to long in the pro segment almost on their own.

Nice "discussing" with you as always PIX.

Be good

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Jul 11, 2009 21:48 |  #36

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And i feel like a big freaking nerd for identifying them like that :(



Just make sure no one sees you while counting :lol::lol::lol:



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Jul 11, 2009 21:58 |  #37

You caught me there...

Bollan wrote in post #8265009 (external link)
Well that image don't tell the whole story. If you would have turned the camera to the right the black line goes on and on.......:lol:.......kidding. Is that shot yours by the way?

Very smart, "out-of-the-box" thinking, BTW. The shot is not mine, as I found it somewhere deep in DPReview, though. Now, per previous comments, that was it, that was all the equipment to be used for the show... but you never know! ;)

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The "famous" shots from Beijing also shows their growth amongst independent pro's and agencies.

Remember the 100m final, the most eagerly-awaited event in the Olympics, with probably the most massive concentration of equipment and photographers ever, under a single roof in a single event? Well, check this out (this time, you can see around :lol: )

http://www.karikuukka.​com/peking2008/100m/ (external link)

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Jul 11, 2009 22:05 |  #38

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Just make sure no one sees you while counting :lol::lol::lol:

I think my point was i can count and identify the Nikon ones..

Canon is just a massive blur of white...


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Jul 12, 2009 00:34 as a reply to  @ post 8264640 |  #39

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... regardless of the camera used the shots look great! These are the sorts of situations that sometimes need high ISO and high shutter speed... perfect for the new breed of canons and nikons!

Canon vs Nikon means your actually willing to dump usually at least 10k worth of equipment for what? a supposed 1 stop difference - in a zone that most dont even shoot in - i get it if you are an indoor sports shooter or something similar - but they are so specialised they can probably afford to swap to stay at the top of their game... otherwise its a debate not worth getting into!

Spot on. I think most in this thread and elsewhere here are happy we all have choice finally and, for the love of photography over brand, are prepared to allow others to be happy with what and how they shoot. Those with Nikon or Canon 'issues' really need to smell the flowers a little more.


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Spot on. I think most in this thread and elsewhere here are happy we all have choice finally and, for the love of photography over brand, are prepared to allow others to be happy with what and how they shoot. Those with Nikon or Canon 'issues' really need to smell the flowers a little more.

Choice is great, competition is great

Nikon has a bit of an advantage now, next year Canon might have the advantage back, it all goes up and down depending on the manufacturers product cycles and etc...

If Nikon didnt have Canon on their toes Canon wouldnt have much motivation to innovate, they'd just make the same thing, release it as a new model, and people would buy it because its all there is...

I may pick on Nikon sometimes, but I have a confession, if Nikon released an updated 80-400 that was a reasonable price, I'd most likely start investing in Nikon...Not all at once, but gradually just start swapping over...


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Jul 12, 2009 07:51 |  #41

I guess all the Nikon D700 shooters are posting threads entitled "Jaw dropping resolution from Canon 5DII!!!!!", "Just cropped my D700 shot against a 5DII shots, man that sucks!"....get a life.


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I guess all the Nikon D700 shooters are posting threads entitled "Jaw dropping resolution from Canon 5DII!!!!!", "Just cropped my D700 shot against a 5DII shots, man that sucks!"....get a life.

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Jul 12, 2009 08:53 |  #43

Sad how a good image isn't seen as a good image anymore. It's seen as "a good image but..."


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Sad how a good image isn't seen as a good image anymore. It's seen as "a good image but..."

Sad but true. I just wish people would post images without a hint of equipment so that we can just enjoy the image for what it is. Too many people get their shorts in a knot once the equipment is revealed and all of a sudden the image is either greater or not so great. Take photos rather than pixel peep and the world will be much better.




  
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Jul 12, 2009 11:43 |  #45

With my dearest respect...

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Sad but true. I just wish people would post images without a hint of equipment so that we can just enjoy the image for what it is.

...Lot of people come here trying to learn, seeking information on how to get the equipment react/respond to a specific purpose/intent... and such purpose is always (and intimately) linked to photography. I am not sure I know anyone around here in possession of a camera... and using it as a high-tech, excentric door-stop, or a self-defense weapon.

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Too many people get their shorts in a knot once the equipment is revealed and all of a sudden the image is either greater or not so great. Take photos rather than pixel peep and the world will be much better.

...That's may be a pretty limited / confined view of the "universe", which not all of us must adhere too.

To me, you are actually getting the picture upside-down: you push towards tech. excellence, so you eventually become free from the chains of poor technical execution, thus allowing you to pursue photography as far as your creativity goes, and always knowing what you are doing, inside out.

However, at the end it all depends of what each of us aspires out of this discipline... some of us simply wish to "contemplate", "perceive" (which is totally fine), and some others want... a bit more...

Yet, again, there is no good or bad position, anyway.

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