2009 POTN Fantasy Football League

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AngryCorgi wrote in post #8500832
I'm killing Sh*tty Beatles in week #1, that much I know.

I think not...

DDCSD wrote in post #8506953
If he did it on purpose, he may have done it to make a point. If a punter can hit that thing, they could very well change the outcome of the game by just hitting it over and over again until the clock runs out.

It sounds like someone punting from near mid-field might hit the thing inadvertently when trying to get some good hang-time and pinning the opposing team near the goal-line.

The Jerry-Tron might become an issue this season. I can't imagine the NFL not requiring them to raise it up, even though Jerry doesn't think he should have to (except when U2 comes to town:lol. A scoreboard should not have a direct impact on a game, and this certainly could.

http://www.latimes.com …2009aug23,0,388​3808.story

You posted a goofy latimes article but both you and the article ignore the fact that the NFL has already set height restrictions and the scoreboard is actually 15+ feet higher than that restriction. The approx. $2million required to rent the cranes and manpower to raise it are either (a) coming out of the collective NFL pocket (you can't rewrite the rules after-the-fact and then expect to get a freebee) or (b) the NFL will putz around until its raised the extra 25 feet for the U2 concert. I'm betting on "b", since the NFL knows the specs are within their guidelines and they aren't about to dig into their own pocket.

As far as Fisher talking noise about how the rules committee (which he's on) will have to review this...he ought to worry more about why his team was 3-and-out punting all the time and stop worrying about something that might affect a CLOSE game, which his team did not appear capable of playing. His initial complaint about having to use a flag to get the refs to look at it is understandable, but it doesn't excuse his later comments suggesting that JJ was at fault.

You can cry and complain and take jabs at JJ for screwing up all you want, but he followed the guidelines and then went beyond the required height already. Go blame the NFL and the rule makers, not the ones abiding by them.

Is it just me, or does it seem like the injury bug is hitting almost everyone and way early this season?

*Two Steelers QBs are now injured, and I am not sure the Ben injury isn't serious.
*The Seahawks' Center has a leg injury, and they already lost their left tackle.
*It seems like the Eagles have a new body on the injury list every day.
*Check out the Jags...they are taking losses left and right.
*Ochocinco had to kick because Graham is injured.
*The bucs just lost a veteran LB for the season.

I could go on and on...it just seems like the NFL needs to shorten the preseason and make these injuries at least count for something.

AngryCorgi wrote in post #8511077
You can cry and complain and take jabs at JJ for screwing up all you want, but he followed the guidelines and then went beyond the required height already. Go blame the NFL and the rule makers, not the ones abiding by them.

I don't care who wrote the rules. Obviously the NFL and the Cowboys organizations guessed incorrectly when they decided how high the scoreboard should be.

Would my points be valid if I had linked the Forth Worth paper, ESPN, SI, Yahoo Sports, AP story or any other news outlet that said basically the exact same thing as the LA Times article?

I'm also not sure what the Titans stinking it up in a pre-season game has to do with an obvious huge blunder by the NFL and the Cowboys. The Cowboys knew their punter could peg a small basketball scoreboard over 100 feet up if he tried, so I'm not sure how they didn't see it happening in a game with a massive scoreboard running between the 20's .


JJ says its not an issue because punters should be kicking to the sideline. I guess he doesn't think anyone would ever use it as an advantage.

Bottom line is a scoreboard may affect the outcome of a game simply because of where it is located. Major screw-up by everyone involved. Jones must have known it could be an issue, so he went 10 feet higher than the NFL design standard.


If I were an opposing team's punter, I'd hit the thing a couple of times every game just for the heck of it.

AngryCorgi wrote in post #8511138
Is it just me, or does it seem like the injury bug is hitting almost everyone and way early this season?

*Two Steelers QBs are now injured, and I am not sure the Ben injury isn't serious.
*The Seahawks' Center has a leg injury, and they already lost their left tackle.
*It seems like the Eagles have a new body on the injury list every day.
*Check out the Jags...they are taking losses left and right.
*Ochocinco had to kick because Graham is injured.
*The bucs just lost a veteran LB for the season.

I could go on and on...it just seems like the NFL needs to shorten the preseason and make these injuries at least count for something.

I thought it was just me that was thinking that because of all my Birds getting hurt.

DDCSD wrote in post #8511447
I don't care who wrote the rules. Obviously the NFL and the Cowboys organizations guessed incorrectly when they decided how high the scoreboard should be.

You keep missing the reality. It isn't the Cowboys organization that sets the rules. They followed the rules and every jerk on the internet is pointing their finger at JJ and the organization. It's stupid and irresponsible and the NFL needs to issue a statement verifying that the 'pokes were within NFL regulations. I'm tired of all the 'poke haters pointing their fingers and blaming us for following the rules.

Its that simple.

AngryCorgi wrote in post #8511696
You keep missing the reality. It isn't the Cowboys organization that sets the rules. They followed the rules and every jerk on the internet is pointing their finger at JJ and the organization. It's stupid and irresponsible and the NFL needs to issue a statement verifying that the 'pokes were within NFL regulations. I'm tired of all the 'poke haters pointing their fingers and blaming us for following the rules.

Its that simple.

I'm blaming the NFL and the Cowboys. Especially since the Cowboys took their punter into a dome to try and hit a basketball scoreboard and found out he could hit it over 100 feet up. If they hadn't done this, I would certainly not point my finger at them. They tested and then ignored the results of the test.

I honestly don't care who's fault it is. I just can't believe that now that a serious design flaw has been discovered (regardless if the regulations were at fault, which they obviously were), it won't be remedied. The scoreboard is going to be raised for a concert 1 month after the start of the regular season. Why not just raise the thing up this week and leave it up since you know that it may affect the outcome of a game? The only logical answer is stubbornness.

DDCSD wrote in post #8511933
The only logical answer is stubbornness.

I don't think that can be determined absolutely without understanding the logistics. Large jobs like that require special equipment. I'm not sure whether they will need cranes or some sort of specialized winch system. Either way, the equipment likely needs to be rented and likely is done so on a schedule, which has already been scheduled for the week preceding the concert. Whether there is a serious fine by those who might change their schedule or whether its even available and not out on a job at the moment is not known.

I think being quick to make a judgement about someone's character without knowing ANY of the facts is careless.

That would be like me blaming the Eagles organization for allowing fans to act like thugs at their games and openly attack ticket holders who are not Eagles fans. We all know it happens, and we all know its not just verbal attacks. I could blame the stadium for overselling alcohol to individuals or for not providing sufficient security. Then I could say they allow it because they don't care or because they are stubborn or because money is more important than doing the right thing.

But I don't because I don't know ANY of the facts in that case.

AngryCorgi wrote in post #8513185
I think being quick to make a judgement about someone's character without knowing ANY of the facts is careless.
But I don't because I don't know ANY of the facts in that case.

Jones has made the statement that the scoreboard is getting moved right back down after the concert.

He doesn't care that it can be hit of someone tries to.

He has said as much.

I hope the Eagles are winning by 2 points in the last game of the season and they have no time outs. They get stopped on third down on their own 20. They have to punt the ball with 10 seconds left on the clock. Rocca clanks one off of the scoreboard while Crayton stands downfield with his hands on his hips. OK, kick it over with 3 seconds on the clock now. Snap the ball, McNabb runs it backwards and kneels it down when the clock hits zero. Game over. The Cowboys get to watch the playoffs on the Jerry-Tron.


I can't believe how big of homers half of the Cowboys fans are that they don't see this is a problem. They're so blinded by their need to defend everything with a blue star on it that they refuse to acknowledge that this is a serious issue.

Bringing up problems that they had at the Vet 700 level that were eventually snuffed out and buried in the rubble of the Vet doesn't change the fact that something needs to be done with that scoreboard. If there's anything like that happening at the Linc with any regularity, I sure haven't heard anything about it. Yeah, stuff like that happens, but it happens everywhere, that's why there are jails in half of the NFL's stadiums (including the new Cowboy's Stadium).

DDCSD wrote in post #8514580
Jones has made the statement that the scoreboard is getting moved right back down after the concert.

Of course its getting move back down (at least some)...the item its getting out of the way of is 164 feet high. If they move it now, they STILL have to move it again. That means more money than was planned.

DDCSD wrote in post #8514580
I can't believe how big of homers half of the Cowboys fans are that they don't see this is a problem. They're so blinded by their need to defend everything with a blue star on it that they refuse to acknowledge that this is a serious issue.

Bringing up problems that they had at the Vet 700 level that were eventually snuffed out and buried in the rubble of the Vet doesn't change the fact that something needs to be done with that scoreboard.

You called cowboy fans homers then make excuses for your own organization's shameful doings. Enough said about that topic.

If the NFL doesn't like it they can pay to move it. If a bridge is built and it fails, the PE(s) that signed off on it is responsible. The NFL signed off on the height long before it was built. They hold the responsibility and if it goes to outside arbitration, the construction documents, signed by the NFL, will force the NFL's pocket for the fix. That's why the NFL is "watching the situation" and not pushing for fear of arbitration. I'd bet real money that the conference call today will yield temporary rules until AFTER the U2 concert when they drop the scoreboard to a slightly higher location.

AngryCorgi wrote in post #8514728
The NFL signed off on the height long before it was built. They hold the responsibility and if it goes to outside arbitration, the construction documents, signed by the NFL, will force the NFL's pocket for the fix.

I have to agree with this. If the league accepts the height before construction, then I think it's fair game. Maybe they could even consider that if the punter or kicker kick it over the limit, it counts as a down where it hit the screen.

AngryCorgi wrote in post #8514728
Of course its getting move back down (at least some)...the item its getting out of the way of is 164 feet high. If they move it now, they STILL have to move it again. That means more money than was planned.

Its been claimed that the scoreboard is only being moved up 25 feet for the concert. The math doesn't sound right to me ( like you said "The Claw" is 164 feet tall), but that is what has been claimed.

You called cowboy fans homers then make excuses for your own organization's shameful doings. Enough said about that topic.

I am far from a homer. If the Linc had something hanging above the field that could affect the outcome of the game, I would be saying this exact same thing. I sure wouldn't be arguing with people that its the NFL's fault and that's all there is to it.

Where did I make any excuses?

Yes, there were problems and some pathetic things were done in the past at the Vet and the organization took a lot of steps to remedy them. Claiming that they ignored the situation is either ignorance or blatantly ignoring the facts.


I haven't heard of any ongoing problems happening at the Linc. If you have, please show me some links. The Linc has one of the best security systems and security crews in all of the NFL, specifically to turn that image around.


Again, what does this have to do with an object in the field of play that may affect the outcome of a game?

Who cares if the NFL likes it or not? I would think that the Cowboys and their fans would not like it.

Again, the Cowboys tested and found out that their own punter could peg a relatively small basketball scoreboard, yet they ignored what that test showed them. The NFL obviously never considered that a huge screen hanging almost the length of a field would be an issue.

They were both wrong. They are both at fault.

And if a bridge falls, it's everyone's fault. Especially if the architect tested and found it would only fall if people drove over the speed limit. They build the bridge and the first day its open someone goes 5 over and the bridge comes tumbling down. You don't think the architect would carry any blame?

ZGMF-X20A wrote in post #8515881
I have to agree with this. If the league accepts the height before construction, then I think it's fair game. Maybe they could even consider that if the punter or kicker kick it over the limit, it counts as a down where it hit the screen.

There's no way they could do that. That would be ludicrous. A punter's job is to keep the ball in the air as long as possible so their team can get down the field and tackle the returner.

Tom, can you at least admit the scoreboard is a problem that needs to be fixed and stop arguing who's fault it is and who needs to pay if they want it moved?

Would you be perfectly happy if a game ended in the manner I described above?

I've always found you to be fairly rational and I can't believe you think this is all just fine and dandy.

DDCSD wrote in post #8516154
Tom, can you at least admit the scoreboard is a problem that needs to be fixed and stop arguing who's fault it is and who needs to pay if they want it moved?

Would you be perfectly happy if a game ended in the manner I described above?

I've always found you to be fairly rational and I can't believe you think this is all just fine and dandy.

I think a raising of 20 feet wouldn't hurt. I just have a huge problem with everyone pointing their self-righteous fingers at my team's organization as the ones at fault.

If the NFL wants to change the minimum-overhang requirements, go for it!