Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet (it's a long thread, I've read quite a few pages of it.) but how do the papparazzi get away with it?
They are taking pictures of celebrities in public venues and using the images editorially.
RDKirk Adorama says I'm "packed." More info | Mar 02, 2012 09:59 | #226 Muffin Princess wrote in post #14006456 Not sure if anyone's mentioned this yet (it's a long thread, I've read quite a few pages of it.) but how do the papparazzi get away with it? They are taking pictures of celebrities in public venues and using the images editorially. TANSTAAFL--The Only Unbreakable Rule in Photography
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viper522 Member 133 posts Joined Nov 2011 More info | Mar 05, 2012 09:54 | #227 RDKirk wrote in post #14006782 They are taking pictures of celebrities in public venues and using the images editorially. As I understand it (although I'm no authority) many are 'freelance' and sell the images to the highest bidder, without a particular outlet in mind. That business model just seems inappropriate to me.
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RDKirk Adorama says I'm "packed." More info | Mar 05, 2012 10:54 | #228 viper522 wrote in post #14027387 As I understand it (although I'm no authority) many are 'freelance' and sell the images to the highest bidder, without a particular outlet in mind. That business model just seems inappropriate to me. A. The outlets they're selling them to (at the highest bid) are editorial. TANSTAAFL--The Only Unbreakable Rule in Photography
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viper522 Member 133 posts Joined Nov 2011 More info | Mar 05, 2012 11:34 | #229 Excellent and precise information. Thanks.
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artsey Mostly Lurking 14 posts Joined Jan 2013 More info | Jan 10, 2013 05:21 | #230 I am a photographer selling prints of Mardi Gras crowd and costumed revelers images, archetecture images of national historic districts that are privately owned, miscilaneous "public space" images. I have read this thread still some questions that seem to be answered but the distinctions I have relate to some nuances about the words used which reflect some dichmyotomy in the answers. I want to believe that I have the right to sell multiple copies of prints of my photographs on my Internet gallery and to use my Internet portfolio of photos without using any specific photo as a cover to the portfolio to promote my skills as a photographer.
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artsey Mostly Lurking 14 posts Joined Jan 2013 More info | Jan 10, 2013 05:51 | #231 Another issue regarding "photo bombing". That is when, during Mardi Gras or other public event where everyone is taking pictures so there is no expectation that they will not be photographed, some punks jump into the photo and say "don't take my picture". They photograph themselves doing it and video themselves doing it. No one would use those pictures but they also merely calmly appear in the background of pictures. As they have documented many times where they verbally expressed the wish not to be photographed they might have a case against someone who claims they didn't. Would it be advisable to document their activities as a defense against their claims?.
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RDKirk Adorama says I'm "packed." More info | There are 2 sections there. The first about goods etc the second section of the law, which prohibits the use specificly in advertising but that doesn't limit the first section's prohibition against lithographs in and of themselves as a good/product for sale. The James Brown case wasn't about sale of prints anyway it was about the sale of liscence of copyrights. Almost the same thing but not quite. If anyone knows of cases about prints specificly it would be helpful. Cases where the print seller wins are preferred but cases where the print seller loses are important. The copyright issue is not the same thing as the model release issue. Two different issues, two different areas of constitutional right involved. TANSTAAFL--The Only Unbreakable Rule in Photography
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RDKirk Adorama says I'm "packed." More info | Jan 10, 2013 06:19 | #233 artsey wrote in post #15469681 Another issue regarding "photo bombing". That is when, during Mardi Gras or other public event where everyone is taking pictures so there is no expectation that they will not be photographed, some punks jump into the photo and say "don't take my picture". They photograph themselves doing it and video themselves doing it. No one would use those pictures but they also merely calmly appear in the background of pictures. As they have documented many times where they verbally expressed the wish not to be photographed they might have a case against someone who claims they didn't. Would it be advisable to document their activities as a defense against their claims?. I don't know of any cases in court about this but it looks like a setup targeting professional photographers for for legal claims if the good photos with them calmly in the background are sold. Saying "don't take my picture" is irrelevant. TANSTAAFL--The Only Unbreakable Rule in Photography
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artsey Mostly Lurking 14 posts Joined Jan 2013 More info | Jan 10, 2013 07:16 | #234 RDKirk,
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RDKirk Adorama says I'm "packed." More info | and use of portfolios on internet artist issues anyone may be aware of online I could refer to. I'm still not exactly sure what you're talking about doing. If, however, you're using images online to solicit for sale or service of something other than those actual images themselves, you will need a model release. TANSTAAFL--The Only Unbreakable Rule in Photography
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artsey Mostly Lurking 14 posts Joined Jan 2013 More info | Here's what I'm finding so far. It looks good as far as limited edition prints are concerned. Haven't found anything on "large" or infinite numbers of prints.
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artsey Mostly Lurking 14 posts Joined Jan 2013 More info | Jan 10, 2013 09:39 | #237 Here's what I'm finding regarding portfolio use. There have been no cases of people suing for use of their publicity rights in a photographers website portfolio. Use of it on the cover needs a release. Website or printed book. But not editorial content of the book. The pictures in the book or website is considered editorial content same as a newspaper. The book like the newspaper is considered the "ediorial content" because what makes a buyer choose this one over that one is the "editorial content", the jounalistic, artistic, and speech expression in the website, book or newspaper. The court does not determine "newsworthyness". The plaintif in a case doesn't either. The editor, publisher, creator of the website, book or paper determines that.
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RDKirk Adorama says I'm "packed." More info | Jan 10, 2013 09:56 | #238 artsey wrote in post #15470270 Here's what I'm finding regarding portfolio use. There have been no cases of people suing for use of their publicity rights in a photographers website portfolio. Use of it on the cover needs a release. Website or printed book. But not editorial content of the book. The pictures in the book is considered editorial content same as a newspaper. The book like the newspaper is considered the "ediorial content" because what makes a buyer choose this one over that one is the "editorial content", the jounalistic, artistic, and speech expression in the book or newspaper. The court does not determine "newsworthyness". The plaintif in a case doesn't either. The editor, publisher, creator of the book or paper determines that. Tiger woods claimed in part that the artist's use of his image in the artists non web based portfolio violated several rights including many being discussed here. He lost on all counts. As case law governs and there are no cases theory governs. Because the plaintift asserting the photographer needed a release to use the photo in the portfolio is asking the court to make new law. Such new law cases are very expensive for the plaintif. As all of an artists work is his "portfolio" restrictions on his portfolio are a restriction on his artistic expression. The form of presentation doesn't matter. That's the theory I would argue in my defense. I would cite the case of tiger woods but the judge might say that is not exactly like this case because the tiger woods case wasn't about a portfolio on the net. Still the courts are very lenient in their decisions restricting artistic expression, are very helpful regarding legal procedure (the expensive part) in the artists defence and are very tough on plantifs trying to make new law to restrict it. Few lawers would take such a case on a contingency basis unless the photographer was rich. This is what you may be missing: TANSTAAFL--The Only Unbreakable Rule in Photography
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artsey Mostly Lurking 14 posts Joined Jan 2013 More info | Jan 10, 2013 10:16 | #239 By the way,
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artsey Mostly Lurking 14 posts Joined Jan 2013 More info | Jan 10, 2013 10:25 | #240 RDKirk. Interesting about New York et al statutory law. Could you direct me to a referance containg the law itself? I'd like the see how it's specificly worded and the case that brought it into law. I'll search myself for "specific exemption from the model release requirement for photographer's portfolios in new york". But you could speed me up is you can supply the referance.
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