.:The Official WHY VIDEO IS HERE TO STAY thread!!!:.

jacobsen1 wrote in post #8416542
trap set...

bait taken!

WELL PLAYED!

Hahaha, these guys.


Yeah. No matter how much you complain about video, It's going to pretty much remain permanent being on DSLR's starting this generation.

I think part of the problem is that people don't realize the potential.

I always hear "but if I want to shoot video, I'll use a camcorder...heck, they even shoot HD". So, what's so great about video on a DSLR? Why bother? My HD Handycam shoots 1920x1080 just fine! And auto-focuses fast and accurately!

There's but one reason, IMO: LENSES.
It's really quite revolutionary. The ability to shoot 1080p video at 50mm f/1.2 for around $4500? Or, at 85/1.8 for under $3100? Unheard of!

Read some video publications from around the time the 5DII was announced. People were falling all over themselves with excitement, and it seems it was warranted.

If you don't want video, fine, but it's not going anywhere, and it wasn't (as Ben pointed out) added at the expense of other features.

bump! for those in the rumors threads **** about video on the possible 7D and 1DIV....

"bump! for those in the rumors threads **** about video on the possible 7D and 1DIV...."
....That's Funny

I agree whole-heartedly...Not only is video here to stay, it's only going to getter better! IE, the DSLR will become an even more coveted tool in the video wold than it is now. Many BIG projects are being shot with the 5d2...many well known and well respected 3rd party companies are making REAL gear to help with the ergonomics....Rails, sleds, follow focus, hoods and adapters, sound solutions, etc. I've been shooting both, video and still, for sometime now. To me, it's fascinating to see what is happening in the creative world and being accomplished with the 5d2.

You see the same "whining" on the video boards from the old guard, imo. (not that it is isolated to experienced shooters...more that "way of thinking)....
The arguments are all the same; ergonomics, sound, lens price, etc. ALL the things being addressed by big companies in the indie industry! There are comparisons of IQ of the 5d2 with cameras costing 10 times as much....everywhere online! The sensor on the 5d2 is bigger than cameras costing 20 times as much....and High ISO/Low Light shooting with the 5d2 is comparable to camera/lens rigs that cost 50 times as much!!!

That what seems so crazy to me. I understand being a passionate still or videographer. But why complain about such an incredible feature? As far as still photography, the 5d2 to me has been improved in EVERY area over the original 5d! To me, it's the best looking IQ out of the Canon family right now. Sure, there are lots of things the 1ds can do that the 5d cannon, but for pure IQ right now, Canon got it right with the 5d2. And to throw in such a great little nugget....1080p capture....priceless!

For those that want "more" from the camera....that will be the case with any kit. There's always something that could be improved upon. All things considered, we are still in the infancy of digital photography....compare​d with how long we shot and improved upon our film systems (and all of it's many nuances)...

I agree video is here to stay....I think it is going to get better and better...I think Canon may even rethink their "professional" stance in the video market, considering the success of the 5d2... maybe that is a stretch, but it's been a while since they've done anything on that side. Still shooting HDV....while most of us video guys are shooting solid state (P2, SxS, SDHC, etc). I also believe the still technology will get better...they have obviously taken a hard look at megapixels with their latest G series and P&S offerings. The G11 has less MP than the G10 but a significantly updated and more sensitive sensor. IQ is definitely top of mind at Canon as far as stills are concerned, I think those that worry it's not should take a breath and have faith. But I also believe there is a team hard at work making the video work just a bit better as well....maybe 29.97 instead of 30p, XLR audio input, quicker processor, variable frame rate....

LOL....I love this thread! It's great, thanks for posting. If everyone that complained about the feature would just take 10 minutes to pop their piece of L glass on the camera and shoot a couple of frames at 1080p of their child racing around on the bike, or the lawn growing, whatever.....

Then, go to monoprice.com, buy a mini HDMI to regular HDMI cord for 4 bucks, plug the camera into your 52" LCD in the living room, Push Play....and prepare to be shocked at the capability of your tool! It is astounding....even Discovery HD and HDNet, some of the best looking HD stations on the air are still compressed. 1080p, uncompressed video from your 5d2 may just BLOW you away!!!! I promise

J

I must admit I'm impressed by the quality of the footage these cameras are capable of.

This is a nice comparison clip with a Red One, Canon 5D Mk II, and Panasonic Lumix GH1...
http://vimeo.com/59814​22

jacobsen1 wrote in post #8416153
OK, these video threads seem to come up waaaaay to often lately, so maybe we could get this stickied? If not, maybe we can bump this or link it when people want to cry about "how expensive video makes my DSLR" and how they "don't want it and can't figure out why anyone else on the planet might!"...

OK, let's start with some reasoning. There are features on cameras we all don't use. They have been there for years. Some make sense for a lot of users, they all just don't realize it. Some are useful for a very select few but they're still there. It's your choice to use them or not to use them, but creating different SKUs for similar camera will make them MORE EXPENSIVE. Some examples would be high ISOs, liveview, MLU, rear button AF, etc..

Further, cameras with liveview are very easy to make capture video. Don't beleive me? Check this out:
http://www.youtube.com …gl=CA&hl=en&v=O​lKywUVFJW4
read about what they're doing here:
http://chdk.setepontos​.com/index.php/topic,2​259.0.html

but the moral of that story is any DSLR with liveview could be made to record video by a bunch of programmers THAT DON'T HAVE THE MANUFACTURES RESOURCES!!!

Further, the microphone and speaker probably cost canon $5 to purchase, so that price when passed on to the end user isn't much at all. Add to that canon already has video mode on their P&Ss AND makes very good digital video cameras, it's not exactly new ground for them to develop. ADD TO ALL THAT that this feature will make the camera more newsworth, cool, new, the fun new toy, and it WILL sell cameras for them and it's not going anywhere anytime soon. When canon released reverie it crashed their servers and they ended up using TORRENTS to get it out to all those that wanted to see it! We've already seen Nikon drop it into their D90, then canon followed with the TS1, and now Nikon has added it to it's D300s... I'd say it's a safe bet that all new DSLRs in the next year and beyond will indeed have video functions included. The only valid complaint I can see with this system is for professional photographers at events where video cameras are restricted due to the contracts for that footage (huge money is paid for exclusive rights). Also, the 5Dii is actually LESS EXPENSIVE at it's launch than the 5D was when it was first released. I'm not talking about inflation corrections or anything like that, the original 5D sold for over $3000 when it was released. The 5Dii started at $2700 and was improved in every way.

Video is here, it's here to stay, stop complaining about it!!!!

• video's already been hacked into 40Ds (showing anything with liveview makes it work)
  
• canon already sells P&Ss with video
  
• canon already sells video cameras
  
• the speaker and mic cost canon peanuts when looking at the overal cost of the body
  
• this feature has created a lot of great press for canon and the 5Dii
  
• you don't like it? DON'T USE IT!
  
• the 5Dii's release MSRP is actually LESS than the original 5D's so it didn't ADD to the price there!!!

Hopefully this helps people understand why it's here. If you don't want to use it, fine, don't. If you want to complain about your favorite body NOT getting some other feature, go right ahead. But don't think video took anything out of the body or made it more expensive. It was an easy bonus for them to add into the body and it's generated a ton of publicity for canon and nikon.

Hopefully this helps!

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Boy! All that and you missed the most important point... It sells cameras to those that wouldn't ordinarily buy that model.

i wonder when the LCD will become the only "view finder" on DSLR's.

bigcountry wrote in post #8489055
i wonder when the LCD will become the only "view finder" on DSLR's.

Then it would no longer be an SLR ...

Once all cameras have it they won't be able to charge a premium for it. Prices will normalize, and everything will be good.

Baselerd wrote in post #8489295
Once all cameras have it they won't be able to charge a premium for it. Prices will normalize, and everything will be good.

The 5DMkII came out at a price point below where the 5D Classic was originally released.

"Boy! All that and you missed the most important point... It sells cameras to those that wouldn't ordinarily buy that model."

Oh, yeah....good point

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #8489854
The 5DMkII came out at a price point below where the 5D Classic was originally released.

Yeah but the Rebel T1i is substantially more than the XSi, and the video is the main feature. Of course, the T1i is geared towards a more mainstream audience than the 5DMkII.

Baselerd wrote in post #8490102
Yeah but the Rebel T1i is substantially more than the XSi, and the video is the main feature.

But when the XSi was released, it was priced at $799/$899 with the lens. Same price as the T1i.

http://www.dpreview.co​m …/08012403canone​os450d.asp

http://www.dpreview.co​m …/09032504canone​os500d.asp

tim, get out of here with your FACTS!!!!!!

let people tell everyone and their uncle the T1whateverit'scalled costs more today than the model it replaces like it's gospel... Seriously, why wouldn't canon raise the price for adding movies to a DSLR when their P&Ss have had it forever!!!!! I mean they also bumped the MP up 50% right? So they charge more for that right?

People seem to like to forget when something is release it has it's MSRP today, and then the price drops over time. When it's replacement comes along, sometimes it's at the old models ORIGINAL MSRP. Sometimes it's below that but above it's previous models CURRENT MSRP. Sometimes it's at it's current models MSRP... But typicall with DSLRs the prices go down over time, people just always bang it up against the right now price of the old model because if they're shopping that's what'd they would pay.... But wait 6 months and it WILL come down.

After video, the next round of whining will probably occur when mechanical focal plane shutters disappear. Who knows, mirrors someday will probably go away and be replaced by active fixed position beam splitters that will work like LCDs to go from transparent to reflective. No more internal mechanical vibration to create blur.