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Aug 17, 2009 15:18 |  #31

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Well, it would certainly seem counterproductive to buy an expensive wide-aperture lens to blur the background and then sharpen it the noise in it.

If you understand the *FULL* workflow for sharpening, then you would not sharpen that blurred background, and if you understand the *FULL* workflow for noise reduction, you would avoid enhancing noise or softening photographic details.

It is inexperience with technique and lack of understanding of the process that results in poor results from sharpening and noise reduction. ;) Fortunately, process can be learned and experience can be gained.

I own a Canon 1Ds MkII and I shoot Canon "L" glass exclusively because I want the sharpest image possible.

When I want a softer photo, it is a creative choice. It is not from a lack of options because I am too stubborn or too proud or whatever to learn how to sharpen photos and remove noise effectively. ;)

If you want to work with film in a darkroom, you need to learn a lot, too. Much of it stuff you don't need with digital. Different media call for different techniques and processes.

If you want to work with digital, either live with the result from in-camera sharpened JPEGs, live with soft RAW photos, live with noisy and over/undersharpened photos, or invest the time and energy and learn both the fundamentals and the techniques of sharpening and noise reduction.

As to the example posed here, the solution is quite simple. Use an edge mask for sharpening to keep it away from that blurred background and use a surface mask to prevent the noise reduction from softening the sharpened edges.

(Both chapters in my eBook/video on sharpening. I'll skip yet another URL link.)

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Aug 17, 2009 15:28 |  #32

I like sharp. I get sharp. I don't have to treat each photo individually to get it though. A simple capture sharpen takes care of the AA filter side-effects. The rest is just a waste of time, IMHO.


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Aug 17, 2009 17:51 |  #33

Let's try to keep it friendly, shall we? :)

gregpphoto wrote in post #8475569 (external link)
I go from the standard setting of 25 sharpness to 40

That's capture sharpening right there ;)


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Aug 19, 2009 07:22 |  #34

If you understand the *FULL* workflow for sharpening, then you would not sharpen that blurred background, and if you understand the *FULL* workflow for noise reduction, you would avoid enhancing noise or softening photographic details.

I suspect that his comment, "Well, it would certainly seem counterproductive to buy an expensive wide-aperture lens to blur the background and then sharpen it the noise in it." related to my post?


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Aug 19, 2009 19:50 |  #35

gregpphoto wrote in post #8475569 (external link)
I like how you call yourself a digital photographer. Thats like me saying "I'm a manual driver" or "I'm a stick driver." So what? At the end of the day, who cares what you use or how you use it as long as you get where you want to go.

No. Digital v. film is nothing like manual v. automatic car transmissions. Bad analogy.

You should not treat digital like film. They are different media. They react differently to light.

When people treat digital like film, they have more noise than is necessary. Etc.

The technical in photography has always mattered in photography. true in film days. True now.

Some of the discussion on this thread shows a lack of basic understanding about how CMOS/CCS chips capture light, why we need to sharpen, etc. To bring this back around to the OT, you cannot get effective control over sharpening halos unless you understand how the blend modes work, how Blend Ifs work, etc. They are all critical to avoiding color shifts and keeping the halos intense enough to add perceived sharpness but not so intense that they become unsightly artifacts.

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Aug 20, 2009 11:27 |  #36

gmitchel850 wrote in post #8489795 (external link)
No. Digital v. film is nothing like manual v. automatic car transmissions. Bad analogy.

You should not treat digital like film. They are different media. They react differently to light.

When people treat digital like film, they have more noise than is necessary. Etc.

The technical in photography has always mattered in photography. true in film days. True now.

Some of the discussion on this thread shows a lack of basic understanding about how CMOS/CCS chips capture light, why we need to sharpen, etc. To bring this back around to the OT, you cannot get effective control over sharpening halos unless you understand how the blend modes work, how Blend Ifs work, etc. They are all critical to avoiding color shifts and keeping the halos intense enough to add perceived sharpness but not so intense that they become unsightly artifacts.

Cheers,

Mitch

You're right, they aren't the same, but I don't think they are different enough to say "I'm a digital photographer." In fact, I've used nothing but digital since day one, and I have people asking me not if it's digital or film, but what kind of film I'm using! They already assume I'm using film and want to know what kind.


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Jan 31, 2011 16:32 |  #37

gregpphoto wrote in post #8474309 (external link)
Anyone ever try High Pass (blended to soft light or overlay) for sharpening? I find it to be more realistic than unsharp mask.

+1 .. I use high pass the most often... The blending mode varies: overlay or soft light.. however, dont forget to desaturate the layer!


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