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Nov 28, 2009 08:28 |  #61

There's a free download that converts RAW files to jpeg in seconds; even hundreds of them. That would save you a little space on the "+jpeg" option.


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Nov 29, 2009 18:48 |  #62

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I hadn't used an enlarger in probably 15 years. :-)

I haven't used one yet.

Ah, you talking still about photography, yes? :mrgreen:

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There's a free download that converts RAW files to jpeg in seconds; even hundreds of them. That would save you a little space on the "+jpeg" option.

There's RAW-converters and RAW-converters. There's huge difference on the quality.

For me, for first 5 years I had RAW-capable camera, I kept shooting in JPEG. The reason: although I understood the benefit of RAW (few more bits, a bit more dynamic range and WB correction), all the tests I did I ended up better pictures with JPEG. Why? Because my POS PC was so slow, that if I took the RAW, it took ages to PP it so basically I didn't do much. For JPEG, it was so much faster and easier, I spent the time editing instead of waiting, so I actually improved the JPEG quality much more as I didn't get frustrated waiting. Also I can't recall missing a good photo once for bad WB, so there wasn't really any benefit for using RAW, instead it seemed to hinder my PP.

Then I got new PC about 1 year ago, and I got Bibble the same time. Again I tried RAW, and I shot funny pictures with difficult lighting conditions. For one, the new PC with Bibble was about as fast as old PC w/ JPEG, so I didn't feel I was wasting time. (Of course new PC w/JPEG was even faster now). Also I noticed that even I had WB correct, the dynamic range helped me in rare cases where there were huge contrasts in the picture. So in most cases, I'd say 95% of the pictures don't matter if it's JPEG or RAW, but as there's no downside to using RAW, I've set my camera now to RAW+JPEG (fine), although 99.9% of the pics I PP from RAW.

I have the Rebel XTi (400D), and the RAW is about 15MB each. So far in 1 year of shooting RAW I've taken some 120GB of pics, but external HDs are cheap so it doesn't matter. I even duplicate the HDs in case one of them fails. And I never delete any of the originals, or the PPd JPEGs out from Bibble. They are all in the external drives, in case I need to go back to check something.

I don't shoot for work, only as a hobby. On my travels, I seem to average about 100pics/day, and now I've taken kendo photography, I've taken about 700-800 pics in ~6-7h event. I have 24GB of cards so they cover quite nice.

So, I'm sure I'd be happy with JPEG alone, but as there's no negative impact (save camera buffer) on RAW, I don't see why I wouldn't use it.


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Nov 29, 2009 19:05 |  #63

tpatana wrote in post #9104015 (external link)
there's no negative impact (save camera buffer) on RAW, I don't see why I wouldn't use it.

missed shots = negative impact


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Nov 29, 2009 19:44 |  #64

SnapLocally.com wrote in post #9104104 (external link)
missed shots = negative impact

+1
Shooting RAW + JPEG (short bursts in basketball) on my 1DII, I find myself waiting a lot on the buffer. I think I pushed the body too much, today, because I got an error 99 displayed. This is a first time for me and I need to search what the heck that means :(




  
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Nov 29, 2009 19:52 |  #65

SnapLocally.com wrote in post #9104104 (external link)
missed shots = negative impact

Like I said, no negative impact save the camera buffer.

My camera takes 10 RAWs to buffer at the max fps (~3fps) until it's full. For my use, if I think at least a bit how I take pictures, I never get the buffer full, so it's really minor impact for me. For someone else, it could be bigger issue, especially with those 8-10fps cameras.


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Nov 29, 2009 20:40 |  #66

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Shooting RAW + JPEG (short bursts in basketball) on my 1DII, I find myself waiting a lot on the buffer. I think I pushed the body too much, today, because I got an error 99 displayed. This is a first time for me and I need to search what the heck that means :(

Error 99 is the general error code the camera uses when it knows something is wrong but doesn't know exactly what is wrong. In a lot of cases, Error 99 is caused by dirty lens/body contacts or battery grips.


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Nov 29, 2009 20:43 as a reply to  @ SnapLocally.com's post |  #67

I shoot mostly sports. When I purchased my camera 2 years ago, I started off shooting all jpg. Then after a few months, I switched to RAW. Since then, I only shoot in RAW. It provides so much flexibility later on for adjusting exposure, white balance, etc. I use DPP and have developed a workflow that makes the process of going through the pictures, editing them, cropping them, and then converting them to jpg's pretty quick. With RAW, I definitely have to delete unwanted pictures from the harddrive to preserve storage space.
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Nov 29, 2009 20:49 |  #68

tpatana wrote in post #9104331 (external link)
Like I said, no negative impact save the camera buffer.

My camera takes 10 RAWs to buffer at the max fps (~3fps) until it's full. For my use, if I think at least a bit how I take pictures, I never get the buffer full, so it's really minor impact for me. For someone else, it could be bigger issue, especially with those 8-10fps cameras.

On my body (1D Mk II) I get 16-18 RAW+Jpeg frames depending on the ISO used. On a few occasions I wished I had a bigger buffer but it cleared out a frame a sec to the card which allowed me to keep shooting.

Personally, I always have and plan to shoot RAW and in cases I need a Jpeg on-site instantly, I'll shoot RAW+Jpeg Lrg Fine. The benefits of shooting RAW in low light conditions is well worth the small amount of effort of converting the file.


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Nov 29, 2009 21:41 |  #69

Error 99 is the general error code the camera uses when it knows something is wrong but doesn't know exactly what is wrong. In a lot of cases, Error 99 is caused by dirty lens/body contacts or battery grips.

In my case, it was a failed shutter.


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Nov 30, 2009 00:06 |  #70

tpatana wrote in post #9104015 (external link)
I haven't used one yet.

Ah, you talking still about photography, yes? :mrgreen:

Yes, actually film still photography. An enlarger is a device that holds the negative and is what is used to expose the photo paper.

Here is a picture of one.

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Nov 30, 2009 00:34 |  #71

Big K wrote in post #9105701 (external link)
Yes, actually film still photography. An enlarger is a device that holds the negative and is what is used to expose the photo paper.

Here is a picture of one.

http://www.amazon.com …ive-Carrier/dp/B0000A9ZBD (external link)

Yes, I used one of those early 90s at a film photography class. Did lot of fancy stuff with one, as the teacher was one of those fun types who don't limit people's imagination while doing art. I recall flailing hand/objects in the light, covering part of the paper to mix&match several photos to one, placing objects on the paper etc.

But my original (bad) pun was referring to the emails I get lot about enlarging things, and I think those advertisements don't refer to anything photo-related :lol:


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Nov 30, 2009 02:42 |  #72

This is a discussion that, to a point, like the Canon vs Nikon debate, will never have a right or wrong answer.
Personally, I always shoot high res jpeg.
What others do doesn't affect what I do and vice versa.
When I can look at a photo in a magazine and say unequivocally that it was originally shot as a RAW image (or jpeg for that matter) then I'll care.
Until then, I'll continue to shoot hi res jpeg.

As for anyone else - whatever floats your boat.


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Nov 30, 2009 07:04 |  #73

tfd888 wrote in post #9104595 (external link)
Error 99 is the general error code the camera uses when it knows something is wrong but doesn't know exactly what is wrong. In a lot of cases, Error 99 is caused by dirty lens/body contacts or battery grips.


Thanks for the tip. I took the battery out, reinserted it, and the camera started working fine. I hope that’s all it was.

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In my case, it was a failed shutter.


That’s my fear though. I have noticed that sometimes (not often) the camera won’t respond when I press the shutter button, and I have to try press it a couple of times.

Maybe it’s time for a visit to CanonCenter, but I digress from the thread topic.




  
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Nov 30, 2009 08:58 |  #74

Even if its just fanily snaps on Xmas day I shoot Raw because the control in PP is just so much more accurate


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Nov 30, 2009 10:29 |  #75

You do that. I'll stick to taking them right the first time.:lol:


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