Hey Sports Shooters!!

Dan-o wrote in post #9118908
Not directly but all the little pokes are there.

I do agree with you cwood that you should use the work flow that works best for the situation. For me that is RAW. I have a bunch of presets that work well with RAWs but will not work on JPGs. Saying we RAW shooters use it for an exposure crutch is like saying you shoot JPG because you need the FPS and buffer because you have no timing. A pretty idiotic statement, don't you agree. We can agree to disagree I guess. K can you e-mail me a Jack and Coke.

I don't think we even disagree... like I said you just don't shoot in a jpg type environment so you probably just can't appreciate it.

The worst thing about photography forums is that nobody posts photos... so here's my pictures to make my point in JUST ONE of my jpg environments in which everything you have quoted me on is true.

MTB event photography is a finicky way to make some $$'s. There are a few of us who shoot the races independently so it becomes a race to get our pictures online first. I will usually make at least 2 sales within 10 min of posting a link to the album on a cycling forum. Since it is event photography it is just fire and repeat for hundreds of shots where the exposure basically doesn't change. Every one of these shots would be improved by spending some time in PS but my customers don't seem to care and time seems to be critically important.

I took this same photo 300 times in about 30 minutes of racing. I'll post just 2 to make my point. These images went straight from the camera to smugmug (no cropping, sharpening, saturation/contrast adjustment). They were shot with custom development functions in the mkIII and they were shot with 70-200F2.8 using a remote flash fired by pocket wizard. Everything needed to be dialed in properly before I pulled the trigger and they were uploaded within 10 minutes of walking in the door. I would love to be able to spend some time making the pictures better but frankly it is not worth the effort and it would probably cost me sales in the end because of the delay.

Just curious C, what program do you import into? Looks like Southridge

In this case I just use windows explorer and dump straight to my NAS drives - and from there to the internet...

Thanks man, I have never been accused of slander before...

Yes, I am a smartass, most of the people here are. Its what makes reading these post so fun.

But Im also right, RAW is the best format for me Even if that means I need to step up my game, no issues with that I have a lots to improve

This is why I shoot RAW most of the time..

This venue has hot spots all over the stage. The green lights on the backdrop killed the WB. EVERY scene was different WB. Total sales for this event were abut $9000. Worth my time to do it correct on EVERY image

ISO 1600 f/2.8 1/125 (Snow white and her dress have had exposure reduced almost a stop and they are still hot. Lightroom brush tool)

Big K wrote in post #9118939
Here you go partner.

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What? No rounds for everyone in the house?

Ironically, I am the one who brought this thread back with a question and nobody answered it. See post #41

cwood wrote in post #9118980
I don't think we even disagree... like I said you just don't shoot in a jpg type environment so you probably just can't appreciate it.

The worst thing about photography forums is that nobody posts photos... so here's my pictures to make my point in JUST ONE of my jpg environments in which everything you have quoted me on is true.

MTB event photography is a finicky way to make some $$'s. There are a few of us who shoot the races independently so it becomes a race to get our pictures online first. I will usually make at least 2 sales within 10 min of posting a link to the album on a cycling forum. Since it is event photography it is just fire and repeat for hundreds of shots where the exposure basically doesn't change. Every one of these shots would be improved by spending some time in PS but my customers don't seem to care and time seems to be critically important.

I took this same photo 300 times in about 30 minutes of racing. I'll post just 2 to make my point. These images went straight from the camera to smugmug (no cropping, sharpening, saturation/contrast adjustment). They were shot with custom development functions in the mkIII and they were shot with 70-200F2.8 using a remote flash fired by pocket wizard. Everything needed to be dialed in properly before I pulled the trigger and they were uploaded within 10 minutes of walking in the door. I would love to be able to spend some time making the pictures better but frankly it is not worth the effort and it would probably cost me sales in the end because of the delay.

I understand and it is certainly true that the need for RAW is situation based. In my case, I am simply used to shooting in RAW so it is what I do. Since most conditions are not ideal and since flash is never an option I like the flexibility it gives me.

I can usually review under 1000 photos in about 30 mins in photo mechanic. With presets in ACR and batch processing my processing time in ACR and CS4 is short. The link to the gallery below was the product of 1348 pics shot in RAW. My editing took about two hours after review.

http://www.sportsactio​ndigital.com …017_LFZrN#72641​9529_JYUm4

The good news, is that for the ones with "optimal" lighting and no significant shadows, that I simply convert to JPEG after bringing up in CS4, cropping already done in ACR. Of course, at the end of the day it is the processing method that works best for you. A huge benefit for me in review is an Apple 30" digital monitor. When I process on the road on a Macbook I am always slower.

eigga wrote in post #9119970
Total sales for this event were abut $9000.

To hell with this topic. How are you making that kind of money- do you have some kind of exclusivity contract with the school?

Yeah really.

Its a Performing Arts Studio... yes I have a contract and its higher end clients.

Sibil wrote in post #9086103
This was a very interesting thread to read. Thanks to all for info on pro/con of shooting RAW vs JPEG, and various post processing options. I learned a lot.

However, I didn't see one point mentioned and that is the varying ability between bodies to produce sharp JPEGs. Both my 40D and 1DII bodies are rumored (according to what I have read) to be unable to produce sharp JPEGs out of the camera, regardless of parameter / picture style settings, in comparison to the sharpness one can get out of sharpening the RAW versions.

If this is true, does this make a difference in your decision to shoot RAW vs JPEG, strictly from the sharpness point of view?

Sorry to not answer this originally but I can't answer because I don't have that much experience shooting JPEGs in camera.

Sibil wrote in post #9120007
What? No rounds for everyone in the house?

Ironically, I am the one who brought this thread back with a question and nobody answered it. See post #41

Sorry, Dan and I drank the place dry.

SnapLocally.com wrote in post #9120594
To hell with this topic. How are you making that kind of money- do you have some kind of exclusivity contract with the school?

No kidding!! That is a monster sales total. I have exclusive deals with schools for plays and such but get nowhere near that sort of sales total. I am sure part of it is my market, but WOW that is a haul. Nice photo BTW.

eigga wrote in post #9119970
This is why I shoot RAW most of the time..

This venue has hot spots all over the stage. The green lights on the backdrop killed the WB. EVERY scene was different WB. Total sales for this event were abut $9000. Worth my time to do it correct on EVERY image

While I sure there were hot spots being stage work, that is still some pretty good lighting work by that crew. My local venues tend to nuke the backgrounds and make shooting there like shooting into the sun at a daytime football game.

ALL of it is market, my pictures are no different than any decent photog could produce. I have built a strong relationship with the studio and clients. My work is all over their studio. The best thing I ever did was start making a book of each performance for the studio to put in the waiting room. The parents love them and look through them all the time... of course my logo is placed in several places. They are top notch people and produce amazing shows with these young kids. I go to the rehearsal to scout the show but also becuase they are so good!

3 shows a year plus 3 dance recitals.

Big K wrote in post #9120758
No kidding!! That is a monster sales total. I have exclusive deals with schools for plays and such but get nowhere near that sort of sales total. I am sure part of it is my market, but WOW that is a haul. Nice photo BTW.

Yea, I really love the photo. And I really would love to get such deals for my shoots. So far, I don't have that many pics taken, my camera has some 12k actuations or so, and the total money I've made with all my photos so far is $0.

eigga wrote in post #9120798
3 shows a year plus 3 dance recitals.

(3+3)*($9000)