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Aug 22, 2009 16:25 |  #1

One of the reasons I bought my Sigma 18-50 f/2.8 Macro is because I love macro and the perspectives you can get with super close focusing. Unfortunately I didn't realize how badly the lens would block light when getting in super close. At most angles even a bounce flash couldn't compensate so I finally made a ring flash.

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I basically traced out the profile of my camera with my 580ex II on top and my lens fully extended to get a feel for the dimensions and went to work on a small cardboard box. Making the thing itself wasn't hard but it had a serious problem with light loss where the light had to reflect down into the channel that leads to the ring. I sort of fixed this by cutting out the then flat front and making an angle to reflect the light down better.

Another problems is that the light isn't even.

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Has anyone found a way to fix this? I think I'm going to try to make a nicer one eventually and was wondering if creating separate light channels could help deal with the problem. What I was thinking was, in the vertical light channel, split the paths of the light three ways and only allowing maybe a 1/4 to come in directly to the top like this

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Don't know how much that would help at the bottom but at least the sides would probably be a little more even. Either way I don't imagine this thing is going to have much range. It's not super efficient but up close obviously it works and I think it could work for portraiture as well.

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Aug 22, 2009 16:26 |  #2

Samples right out of the camera

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Aug 22, 2009 16:38 |  #3

Tin foil? Mirrors?


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Aug 22, 2009 16:43 |  #4

Aluminum foil.


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Aug 22, 2009 16:43 as a reply to  @ lonelyjew's post |  #5

That's one heck of a Frankenstein's monster you've got there.

As I'm sure you know, your design mimics the ExpoImaging Ray Flash adapter. The Ray Flash and other devices like it use mirrors and reflective materials inside to bend the light and give even coverage but even the best of them do not have extremely even coverage.

Initially, just to get more light to the bottom, you may want to line the inside with aluminum foil and play around with different amounts of reflective material at different spots. Beyond that it's going to take some creative thinking to get light to the bottom and then to even the coverage.


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Aug 22, 2009 17:26 |  #6

TMR Design wrote in post #8505448 (external link)
That's one heck of a Frankenstein's monster you've got there.

As I'm sure you know, your design mimics the ExpoImaging Ray Flash adapter. The Ray Flash and other devices like it use mirrors and reflective materials inside to bend the light and give even coverage but even the best of them do not have extremely even coverage.

Initially, just to get more light to the bottom, you may want to line the inside with aluminum foil and play around with different amounts of reflective material at different spots. Beyond that it's going to take some creative thinking to get light to the bottom and then to even the coverage.

Yep and even those have issues with getting the light even though I'd imagine for $200 the ray flash is more even and wastes less light. I've basically lined the whole thing in foil but aluminum foil reflects less than 90% of light at best so I'm still losing a good deal of light as it bounces around. I might try to put together something with acrylic mirrors next time around.


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Aug 22, 2009 17:58 |  #7

I think to get anything close to even light the back of your ring (the cardboard adjacent to your translucent paper) needs to be a sloped reflecting surface. It seems to be flat and parallel so it is really just random chance where the light gets bounced onto the translucent panel. You have already realised that you need to somehow choke the amount of light available to bounce through the top or your rig. Using angled reflectors to guide the light in the right direction is the key. Do it with alfoil first, if you decide you need a more efficient reflector later then at least you have a template to work to. Also adding a grid at the start of the light path will set the light in one direction and be less random for your reflectors to work more predictably, but maybe at the loss of some light. You are restricting the light in small tunnel so zoom your flash to 105 when using this rig.




  
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Aug 22, 2009 18:41 |  #8

Post some test shots with tin foil


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Aug 22, 2009 19:57 |  #9

rowdy_kk wrote in post #8505746 (external link)
You are restricting the light in small tunnel so zoom your flash to 105 when using this rig.

Thanks for that, I actually had the opposite thinking trying to scatter the light with a wide setting so it wouldn't escape as much out the cracks where the first bend is. More light does escape out of these gaps at 105 but, because the light doesn't have to reflect as much inside to get out, overall the flash is brighter at 105.

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Post some test shots with tin foil

What do you mean? Without the diffuser I put in front?

Oh, and as far as materials go, I just found out about reflective mylar. It reflects light far better than aluminum foil and is pretty cheep. If a second incarnation of this thing comes it'll surely have that on the inside.


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Aug 22, 2009 20:08 |  #10

It's alive, It's...alive.....it's alive!!!


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Aug 22, 2009 20:20 |  #11

Photon Phil wrote in post #8506190 (external link)
It's alive, It's...alive.....it's alive!!!

LOLOLOL. It truly is a monster.


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Aug 26, 2009 11:54 |  #12

You need to post this HERE. Also you can get a few more ideas for DIY Macro lighting... :)


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Aug 26, 2009 13:41 |  #13

I'm headed out to buy stock in Scotch tape.....

You've got to love the DIYers. Never, never say die. Tape, glue, WD40, cardboard, the true makings of a civilization.

Keep on experimenting.


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