Sony's new Full-Frame A-850

Yea my turn offs from sony is ergonomics and menu system, availability,noise,and some damn expensive lenses(but worth it from what Ive seen).

This is strictly my opinion, but I don't think this will do squat to affect the 5D2 or even the Nikons... It's a Sony. Period.

I wouldn't touch anything made from Sony with a ten-foot pole. That said, the people that do like Sony will most likely be happy with this. I just don't think you're going to see any Canon or Nikon folks jump ship for it.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #8532916
This is strictly my opinion, but I don't think this will do squat to affect the 5D2 or even the Nikons... It's a Sony. Period.

I wouldn't touch anything made from Sony with a ten-foot pole. That said, the people that do like Sony will most likely be happy with this. I just don't think you're going to see any Canon or Nikon folks jump ship for it.

TROOF

The pricing by Sony is very attractive , Perhaps canon will reduce prices ? Unlikely immideately ..infact the lens prices have been going up steeply.

wickerprints wrote in post #8532427
Sony isn't going to scoop up anything except perhaps their own arrogance. They don't have the loyalty of the pro segment. They bought their way into the game from Minolta. Most consumers are invested in the system they chose. A few hundred in savings now (offset by the time and cost of selling off used gear) is not enough to make people switch.

Got to love that cocky attitude...

Todd Lambert wrote in post #8532916
I wouldn't touch anything made from Sony with a ten-foot pole.

Now this is interesting, may i ask for the reason?

Is it the ergonomics ?(assuming you tested a A900) the price ? or any other limitations/deficiency that makes you treat them like the plague ?

Or is it simply because the label says Sony and not Canon ?

Im not arguing the fact that Sony is to small to have any major impact on either Nikon or Canon. And while we wont see people jump ship, it certainly is possible that people might consider "adding" Sony to their arsenal.

Eventhough many of you dislike Sony like the plague.

Problem with Sony is not only the lens availability and price. One is the hotshoe. It is proprietary to Minolta/Sony so it is not easy to find flash triggers that is compatible. Their top of the line flash does not even have pc sync port which presents another problem. My colleague has been very frustrated looking for workarounds so he can make his flash work with CTR-301P even with hotshoe adapter.

Having said that, A850 is very tempting and since I have few Minolta AF lenses and few flashes.

wickerprints wrote in post #8532861
You keep ignoring my reasoning, so I'll keep ignoring yours. If you want to go with Sony, I'm not going to miss you. Bye.

I'm definitely gonna lose sleep over this. You hurt my feelings.

And good grief, where on earth did I say I wanted to go with Sony? You're reading things that just aren't there.

And this isn't strictly about the 5D2. This will also certainly make people look twice at buying a D300/D300s/D700 because the price is so close.

I'm just saying it's gonna shake up the distribution of systems chosen among new pros. You can call it whatever you want (like 5D2 bashing) but that's all I was saying. There is a new, competent, and VERY AGGRESSIVELY PRICED player on the market. I could CARE LESS about what established people are using. I was NEVER TALKING about them.

MR do little wrote in post #8532974
And while we wont see people jump ship

I would say you're right about existing Canon owners. But it's not about jumping off the Canon ship, it's about new DSLR buyers never getting to it in the first place now.

lukeap69 wrote in post #8532984
Problem with Sony is not only the lens availability and price. One is the hotshoe. It is proprietary to Minolta/Sony so it is not easy to find flash triggers that is compatible. Their top of the line flash does not even have pc sync port which presents another problem. My colleague has been very frustrated looking for workarounds so he can make his flash work with CTR-301P even with hotshoe adapter.

Having said that, A850 is very tempting and since I have few Minolta AF lenses and few flashes.

This sure didn't stop hoards of people from buying canon cameras and canon flashes. The average purchaser isn't a strobist.

picturecrazy wrote in post #8532997
I'm definitely gonna lose sleep over this. You hurt my feelings.

And good grief, where on earth did I say I wanted to go with Sony? You're reading things that just aren't there.

And this isn't strictly about the 5D2. This will also certainly make people look twice at buying a D300/D300s because the price is so close.

I'm just saying it's gonna shake up the distribution of systems chosen among new pros. You can call it whatever you want (like 5D2 bashing) but that's all I was saying. There is a new, competent, and VERY AGGRESSIVELY PRICED player on the market. I could CARE LESS about what established people are using. I was NEVER TALKING about them.

yea I think sony just made a game changer due to price and FF... Honestly if I were looking I would much rather have a FF for 2k than a 1.5/6 crop for 2k.

lukeap69 wrote in post #8532984
Problem with Sony is not only the lens availability and price. One is the hotshoe. It is proprietary to Minolta/Sony so it is not easy to find flash triggers that is compatible. Their top of the line flash does not even have pc sync port which presents another problem. My colleague has been very frustrated looking for workarounds so he can make his flash work with CTR-301P even with hotshoe adapter.

Having said that, A850 is very tempting and since I have few Minolta AF lenses and few flashes.

Well lets not forget its not until recently that Canon added pc sync port to their flagship model, wich still LACKS a optical slave cell btw...

While Canon is ahead Sony when it comes to flash system, they are still far from perfect and is still playing catchup to Nikon when it comes to flash system.

Have your friend tested this ?

http://www.gadgetinfin​ity.com/product.php?pr​oductid=16892

Skippy29 wrote in post #8533003
I would say you're right about existing Canon owners. But it's not about jumping off the Canon ship, it's about new DSLR buyers never getting to it in the first place now.

It's not gonna change too much now or in the near future. But if Sony keeps providing great options and great prices, they will slowly but surely gain market share as new pros make their choices year after year.

The complacency of the thought that Canon and Nikon have nothing to worry about echos the thoughts of the big three long ago when cheap Toyotas and Datsuns appeared on these shores. Short term, it didn't make much of a dent. Long term, the big three are suffering under their own arrogance.

wickerprints wrote in post #8532830
No super-fast primes,

the 35mm 1.4 and 85mm 1.4 don't count? How about a 50mm 1.4? Sigmas 20, 24 and 28mm 1.8s? The 135 1.8?

2.8s not fast enough for you? sony 16-35, sigma's HSM 24-70 & 70-200 all covered?

first off the sony's have IN CAMERA IS. I know it's not as good on the long ends, but it's there FOR EVERY LENS YOU'LL MOUNT ON IT, EVEN FAST PRIMES!!!!! As for the super teles, I doubt anyone shopping for a budget FF camera is concerned about that market. IF THEY WERE TO BECOME interesting, anyone buying a lens worth as much as a car can surely sell their old sony stuff, take a small loss, and then get to the canon.

Skippy29 wrote in post #8533003
I would say you're right about existing Canon owners. But it's not about jumping off the Canon ship, it's about new DSLR buyers never getting to it in the first place now.

I highly doubt that a A850 from sony will be the camera "new" buyers is aiming for, its the entry level system they will go for. But as i said, Sony improving their offering increse the chances of people "adding". Quite a few pro's i know did just that last year with the A900.