Sony's new Full-Frame A-850

robojack wrote in post #8538485
I'm curious, what is it about Sony's 24-70mm makes it the best in this world, in your opinion?

It is not a Sony, Sony mounts it.
It is a Zeiss Vario-Sonnar.

The build quality is better than Canons, by a mile. The IQ is better than canons, quite noticeably. It does cost more so no free lunch on this one.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #8538472
I didn't say I was evaluating the A850 when I made my comment about not liking Sony and I don't evaluate products based on feelings. I do business with companies based on previous transactions, how the company treats it's customers, and what decisions it makes in the market.

No in this case you didnt evaluate them at all, you just dislike them because they have a Sony logo on them.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #8538472
For these reasons, I would not touch anything that Sony sells. I made that pretty clear in my second post. I made a pretty blanket statement that I did not like Sony (not based on the A850). You (rightfully) questioned me about it, and I responded with the reasons why I don't like Sony as a company, not the A850. I am not a fan of Sony cameras nor any Sony products that I've come in contact with. This is a very valid reason and one that you cannot argue because you're not me or have the same experience that I've had.

You can dislike them all you want, but it has nothing to do with how the actual products perform, wich is the basis wich most people use when they judge a product.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #8538472
That should have ended this little charade, but you keep insisting that you know more(which you probably do), and insinuating that people who have a differing opinion than yours, are ignorant, calling them "blind", etc..

You obviously took offence, because i find it rather odd to disregard products just because there is a certain label on it.

Yes i called out a person as being "blind" due to the fact he didnt have a clue as to what lenses Sony has in their lineup.

wickerprints wrote in post #8532830
Second, there are LOT more than the TSE and 400+ that are missing in the Sony lens lineup. No super-fast primes, no super-fast zooms.

His attitude was also very cocky... (not that im suprised) for someone who dont know what he talks about.

wickerprints wrote in post #8532427
Sony isn't going to scoop up anything except perhaps their own arrogance.

Todd Lambert wrote in post #8538472
You're trying to make assumptions about things that you couldn't possibly know and you're making statements that are rather insulting to those who do not tow the Sony line as you do and I'm (rightfully) calling you on it, plain and simple - Call it my "cocky attitude" if you want.

And what assumptions is that Todd ? That you dont like Sony cameras simply because it has a logo that say Sony on them ?

Or the fact that you never shot with any Sony equivalent to the Canon gear you shoot with ?

Im calling people out who pretend to know something (not refering to you) and to people who write off Sony cameras simply beacuse they are Sony....

Im pretty sure that most people would object on here if i told them i wouldnt touch a Canon camera/lens because it has a Canon logo on them..

In any case, hopefully this announcement by Sony will convince Canon to substantially drop the ludicrous prices of their current 5D line (MK I and MK II). That, or create a cheaper FF camera, which the 7D is appearing NOT to be (1.6x crop instead...sigh).

well with the high demand for canons 5dmkII I dont see them dropping prices any day.

No i dont think the A850 wont affect any prices in the near future.

(I bought my A900 brand new last xmas for less then what the A850 retails for now... )

Its a step in the right direction though, eventhough i would think Sony would be better off offering a D700 equivalent, less mp and better noise performance.

Kindest

MR do little wrote in post #8550476
No i dont think the A850 wont affect any prices in the near future.

I hoped in vain

MR do little wrote in post #8550476
(I bought my A900 brand new last xmas for less then what the A850 retails for

What is your lens selection for Sony/Minolta?

I use the Zeiss 135/1,8 and Zeiss 24-70/2,8

whoa! very nice lenses. I've tried them both and love them!

40Driggs wrote in post #8531850
It appears that Sony is gunning for the 5D Mark II. They just released a smaller version of the A900 with a full-frame sensor and most of the features of its larger sibling except for a smaller coverage (98%) viewfinder and slower fps speed. What surprised me the most was the absence of any type of movie mode or live view! I think that Sony has previously had the best version of live view, so it would have been neat to see what they did with a movie mode using their two sensor approach to focusing. I think this missing feature will keep the camera from truly competing with the 5D Mark II. Plus, it sounds like there will be a lot of in-camera noise reduction going on which will probably render less detail than the images of the 5D Mark II. This is just speculation though....

Here's a link

The lack of Live View and movie mode doesn't bother me. There are significant drawbacks to using Live View -- it eats up battery life, and it generates heat in the sensor which can cause noise and colour problems. If used sparingly, Live View can be useful under certain circumstances, but in general, and esp. without an articulated LCD, its usefulness is limited. Ditto for video.

My 40D has Live View but I doubt I'll be using it much, if at all.

Much has been made of the high ISO noise of the A900/A850, but in practice, image quality is pretty good up to 800 ISO, and usable at 1600 ISO. Thus, if I wanted to go full frame on a budget, I'd willingly give up my 40D and lenses, and switch over to Sony. The A850 is a marvel.

Plus, I love those gorgeous Vario-Sonnar lenses! Nothing comparable in the Canon L series. Worth the price premium, IMHO.

MR do little wrote in post #8555767
I use the Zeiss 135/1,8 and Zeiss 24-70/2,8

I have never tried Zeiss lenses, but old minolta "G" 85mm was my favorite

ha, $2000 for a FF with Leica lens, good bye canon.

HYBEagle wrote in post #8591933
ha, $2000 for a FF with Leica lens, good bye canon.

Which Leica lenses can you get for Sony?

$2000 is for body only. With the Zeiss standard 24-70 f2.8 I would run about $3600 total and still suck at high ISO compared to Nikon and Canon. Great studio or landscape camera, though.

Its like saying for the money you pay for for a 5DMK II you get a good high iso camera, that still sucks when it comes to build and AF....

The A900/A850 certainly isnt any highiso speed demons, and i personally belive that Sony would gain alot more to offer a FF camera like the D700, lower mp, and better high iso performance instead of the A850. (wich no doubt is a excellent camera for the money, but its not really a hole Sony needs to fill)

Canon dont have this either, many where hoping that the 7D would be just that...

Diffrent tools for diffrent job simple as that.

MR do little wrote in post #8592271
Its like saying for the money you pay for for a 5DMK II you get a good high iso camera, that still sucks when it comes to build and AF....

I think a lot of people DO say that about the 5Dmk2!

Well "sucks" isnt a absolut term, so it doesnt tell us much now does it.