Need some opinions...

One of these is not like the other .....

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clarence wrote in post #8630376
pretty much down to the T

Originally Posted by canonnoob

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What are the best settings to take fb without flash?????

The ones that let the most light in. fast lenses, 2.8 or better and high iso usually 3200 or more.

canonnoob wrote in post #8626513
I shoot JV games to make extra money... Varsity is where its at for me.. JV parents will pay for more prints.. I can shoot ambient all i want in fact I shot flash for the first time last week... feel free to look at my shots...
I understand venue regulations but just wondering on people's opinions about doing what is done..

And since you brought up gear.. feel free to look at my gear list...

Im not just talking JV game but varsity games as well with the flash.. no problems..What so ever.. soccer game last night varsity no problems as stated in the op

I looked over your gear list and some of the images on your websites.

From all the lighting equipment I'd guess that sports is not your main line of photography income. You seem to like flash, and if that sells to parents - more power to you.

What's with the Ozark Tigers vs. Willard Tigers- Junior Varsity gallery? The info says no flash was used but some of the images have shadows that seem to come from a very bright but low-to-the-ground light source. Are the field lights mounted unusually low? Your volleyball pictures aren't bad but some show all the reasons why that sport is so problematic with flash - a few redeyes, some shadows of net on faces, and the slight motion blur in extremities in the fast action frames.

I've tried using flash at football games but it just does not work for me. Your keeper rate goes down and you have to surrender the fast FPS rate we pay so dearly for when we buy the pro grade bodies. I really like the look obtained with fast aperture prime glass much better, even when it needs to be cleaned up with NR. I guess it's just a case of what you like best.

I never get into hassles with ADs when shooting ambient.

The way things APPEAR to work at our local high school is like this:

A.D. - Director of all sports; coaches report up to him

Head Coach - Regardless of sport, reports to A.D., has assistant coaches

Asst Coach - Report to sport head coach.

The way I see it is that the A.D. has final say and therefore can make or break what we do on the field shooting his or her teams. I try to respect the local A.D. and asked him Friday night if everything was going ok with my shooting and the others who have been granted field access. His response was, "I'm not hearing anything from anybody, so you're doing a great job."

Playing by the rules is always easiest when it comes to this game.

dave

patwill wrote in post #8683259
I looked over your gear list and some of the images on your websites.

From all the lighting equipment I'd guess that sports is not your main line of photography income. You seem to like flash, and if that sells to parents - more power to you.

What's with the Ozark Tigers vs. Willard Tigers- Junior Varsity gallery? The info says no flash was used but some of the images have shadows that seem to come from a very bright but low-to-the-ground light source. Are the field lights mounted unusually low? Your volleyball pictures aren't bad but some show all the reasons why that sport is so problematic with flash - a few redeyes, some shadows of net on faces, and the slight motion blur in extremities in the fast action frames.

I've tried using flash at football games but it just does not work for me. Your keeper rate goes down and you have to surrender the fast FPS rate we pay so dearly for when we buy the pro grade bodies. I really like the look obtained with fast aperture prime glass much better, even when it needs to be cleaned up with NR. I guess it's just a case of what you like best.

I never get into hassles with ADs when shooting ambient.

sorry pat but you happen to be wrong..sports is my main income..Its not always about the amount of gear you have. When I mount strobes in a gym I need some way to trigger them right? Hence the lighting equipment.. Also, I have the lighting I have because, well heck, it will always come in handy somehow...

The reason there is no flash in the JV football gallery exif is because i was not shooting with a off shoe chord...Do some research on my set up and you will see what i mean. I was using flash. Check out that post in the sports section for photos and information.

There are no problems when using flash with sports.. honestly it sounds like you have your own problems and yet blame it on the flash. You may never get into hassles with ADs but then again you dont get clean and semi low ISO shots like I do without NR...

Something else... FPS isnt everything...

Your keeper rate may go down but that is probably because you havent figured out how to use it properly and even more importantly, havent set it up correctly.

Yes fast glass is very very important, but sometimes that isnt even enough.. sometimes you have to ADD light...

Personally, Id like to see some of your low light stuff (ambient) that looks comparable to my shots or the shots of others here that use flash. BTW shoot in a low light gym without using lights and get some clean results... I dont NR unless I have to...

BTW you still havent posted a thread with any shots on this forum. Just a hunch.

snyderman wrote in post #8683772
The way things APPEAR to work at our local high school is like this:

A.D. - Director of all sports; coaches report up to him

Head Coach - Regardless of sport, reports to A.D., has assistant coaches

Asst Coach - Report to sport head coach.

The way I see it is that the A.D. has final say and therefore can make or break what we do on the field shooting his or her teams. I try to respect the local A.D. and asked him Friday night if everything was going ok with my shooting and the others who have been granted field access. His response was, "I'm not hearing anything from anybody, so you're doing a great job."

Playing by the rules is always easiest when it comes to this game.

dave

very true dave... as i had posted things were resolved and he saw the photos and is allowing it now after me telling him all the comment i got on the photos from parents, not to mention orders...

Just read above post for your answer .....

canonnoob wrote in post #8683844
......... BTW you still havent posted a thread with any shots on this forum. Just a hunch.

You're right about that, I haven't posted any here or anywhere else on the www. My purpose here is to learn when I can and to try to help others who are struggling through the things I learned in the past. You, apparently, don't fit my needs on either end so just go ahead and flash away to your heart's content. But, if I were you, I wouldn't give up my day job just yet.

Dave, I just wanted to point out that in most cases the state HSAA has no jurisdiction over games until they reach the playoffs or are playing in a mid-season tourney or event that is put on by the HSAA. While it is good to point out that the HSAA allows it at their sanctioned events, the AD and officials present at the regular season games have the final say without having to adhere to HSAA regulations.

DDCSD wrote in post #8684748
Dave, I just wanted to point out that in most cases the state HSAA has no jurisdiction over games until they reach the playoffs or are playing in a mid-season tourney or event that is put on by the HSAA. While it is good to point out that the HSAA allows it at their sanctioned events, the AD and officials present at the regular season games have the final say without having to adhere to HSAA regulations.

This is very true... and et like i have said the AD and I are no on the same page.. this is a week old thread that has already been resolved.. lol

canonnoob wrote in post #8685343
This is very true... and et like i have said the AD and I are no on the same page.. this is a week old thread that has already been resolved.. lol

I know, just wanted to point that out. It's a common misconception that the state's HSAA has jurisdiction over regular-season games/events.

DDCSD wrote in post #8685372
I know, just wanted to point that out. It's a common misconception that the state's HSAA has jurisdiction over regular-season games/events.

very true.. and as i was reading over the photography rules of mshaa again at the very very end in small print it said that. so no problem. the whole point of this thread was that the AD should have come to me with it instead of saying stuff to anyone else. but oh well lol

He is the AD he can say whatever he would like to whom ever. He has earned that. You have not you sound like your feelings were challenged and no matter what you want to be correct , so there is no good answer I wish it could be a black and white world it is not suck it up and use it as a life experience to better your inner person. Or don't and let it drive you crazy. You could be the better man??

canonnoob wrote in post #8685383
the whole point of this thread was that the AD should have come to me

Did you poke him in the chest, get in his face, and emphasize that the next time he has an issue with anything that might impact your photo sales then he better come directly to you?

Maybe the AD will check out the pictures you're selling, follow your threads, or be pointed to it by someone else... then I'm sure he'll appreciate the lesson and will avoid the need for further corrective action.

Maybe he'll spread the word to other AD's in the area that you're a photographer that insists on being dealt with explicitly and directly.