Who does the 7D steal customers from?

MR do little wrote in post #8634907
Wouldnt bet any money on it... Since most festures on 7d is old news for Nikon users.

Sure... the features may finally "match up" against the D300(s). However, if imaging-resources.com's comparison photos are any indication, then the IQ is significantly better on the 7D vs. D300. I'm sure some Nikonians are also after IQ, not just the features on the camera. Couple that with a more robust, slightly more affordable lens line-up, I wouldn't be surprised that some D300 owners jump ship. Or certainly some D200 owners originally thinking about the 300 swapping into the Canon camp.

I think its stealing customers from the xxDs, 5DII and the 1D Mark III primarily based on features/price

For people like me, it offers a lot more than the xxDs in terms of image quality [So far, from what i've seen], AF and other various niceties, It is for all intents, a professional Camera

It gives people like me who dont shoot landscapes and portraits an upgrade path thats -substantially- cheaper than the 1D Mark III, Given thats what i felt I was sorta forced to upgrade to [And I felt it was a half-ass upgrade..] It also gives us the ability to still use our EF-S lenses [Thus granting access to excellent wides and normals]

It also stops people like me who were on the fence, Feeling forced to go to a 1D Mark III for the features we -really- wanted [and not enthused about spending $4k for a body that has a sorta in-between sensor size that locks me out of true normal and wide lenses] from just dumping Canon and jumping ship to Nikon for a D300s...Which I was seriously thinking of if Canon didnt give me something before i settled on it...Simply because the D300s/10-24/16-85/105VR and a 150-500 Sigma would have been a better lineup for me

And Canon went beyond merely giving me what i expected from Canon, but also sucked it up and stuck in a few of Nikon's awesome ideas, They produced what to me is "The perfect package" of features i wanted

But Canon actually did more than i expected Sept 1st, Not only did they give me the body to stay, They gave me two of the lenses i wanted the most So I'm a very happy camper now...

I see it mostly taking from the XXD crowd. I don't see most 1DIII owners downgrading. Although I bought my 1D3 because Canon didn't have that "in between" body, I couldn't give up the handling, features, sealing, customization, dual memory cards, and 45 point AF system. There may be some 1D/1DII/1DIIn owners who may opt for less expensive route for more and newer features. I also don't see the FF crowd trading in their 5D/5DII bodies for a 1.6 crop sensor. I can definitely see having a 7D to compliment a FF body.

I do see the the 7D as being a great add on to the Canon lineup!!! I hope it is a success.

I tend to say the xxD crowd,

but also, you forgot
Nikon, Sony, JVC, Panasonic,..

well basically every manufacturers of consumer and prosumer camcorders.

kevinmcdade wrote in post #8636599
I see it mostly taking from the XXD crowd. I don't see most 1DIII owners downgrading. Although I bought my 1D3 because Canon didn't have that "in between" body, I couldn't give up the handling, features, sealing, customization, dual memory cards, and 45 point AF system. There may be some 1D/1DII/1DIIn owners who may opt for less expensive route for more and newer features. I also don't see the FF crowd trading in their 5D/5DII bodies for a 1.6 crop sensor. I can definitely see having a 7D to compliment a FF body.

I do see the the 7D as being a great add on to the Canon lineup!!! I hope it is a success.

I dont think 1D3 users will downgrade, but people who might have previously been looking to buy a 1D3 might get the 7D instead and invest the $2300 saved in lenses..

And truthfully? Thats a good idea!

KenjiS wrote in post #8636747
I dont think 1D3 users will downgrade, but people who might have previously been looking to buy a 1D3 might get the 7D instead and invest the $2300 saved in lenses..

And truthfully? Thats a good idea!

I totally agree!!! $2300 for glass would be NICE!!! If the 7D would have been available when I bought my 1D3, I definitely would have considered the less expensive option.

kevinmcdade wrote in post #8636807
I totally agree!!! $2300 for glass would be NICE!!! If the 7D would have been available when I bought my 1D3, I definitely would have considered the less expensive option.

I mean..what can you get for $2300 in glass!

A lot..i mean...really..quite a lot of good stuff in that price range...

Hmn..if it were my cash, I'd go hunting for a Sigma 500mm f/4.5 HSM....I've seen a few drop below $2k

I don't think it's going to sway the 1D type customer. It's a little on the high side of the price curve for those who would be into the T1i/XSi/XS/xxxD models. I think that the largest potential for "stealing" customers would be from the midrange Nikon customer. I use Canon for situations that I really want good color and Nikon for action. Originally I wasn't going to buy a 7D but after going over the specs several times and seeing the Adorama 11% cashback I jumped on it. If this camera is anywhere near the specs Nikon is going to lose a lot of midrange customers. Canon's color and the speed of Nikon is going to cause a lot of Nikon people to jump ship.

KenjiS wrote in post #8636747
I dont think 1D3 users will downgrade, but people who might have previously been looking to buy a 1D3 might get the 7D instead and invest the $2300 saved in lenses..

And truthfully? Thats a good idea!

Yeah, I know despite the fact that I am mildy interested, I won't be "downgrading" b/c to be honest with you, other than a few things here and there, most of it is old news, especially the AF system. (I also agree that it's really old news when you compare it the Nikon)

I can see this being a BIG upgrade for the xxD users. I think with the 5DMKII, the FF is the differentiating factor for most, so I don't see it as a conflict.

If the 1-series customer is going to buy a 7D, it's not to replace any of their existing bodies, but because it is *so cheap* in comparison that they would probably buy the 7D "just for the fun of it."

jwcdds wrote in post #8636453
Sure... the features may finally "match up" against the D300(s). However, if imaging-resources.com's comparison photos are any indication, then the IQ is significantly better on the 7D vs. D300. I'm sure some Nikonians are also after IQ, not just the features on the camera. Couple that with a more robust, slightly more affordable lens line-up, I wouldn't be surprised that some D300 owners jump ship. Or certainly some D200 owners originally thinking about the 300 swapping into the Canon camp.

Well first off you have to define IQ, secondly apart from the obvious diffrence in MP i dont think is as significant as you want to make it out to be, not if we are to belive IR own words that is...

But id be curious to know what it is you found that is so significant, by looking at the samples. I dont have any rawconverter that can handle 7D files on my computer so i havent compared the rawfiles.

nicksan wrote in post #8636995
Yeah, I know despite the fact that I am mildy interested, I won't be "downgrading" b/c to be honest with you, other than a few things here and there, most of it is old news, especially the AF system. (I also agree that it's really old news when you compare it the Nikon)

I can see this being a BIG upgrade for the xxD users. I think with the 5DMKII, the FF is the differentiating factor for most, so I don't see it as a conflict.

The only reason i see people dumping 5D MkIIs for 7Ds is if they are like me, and might have bought the 5D MkII because of it being an excellent camera body and never being entirely happy because of its AF and its speed...

IE, people who bought a 5DII for wildlife or sports or something, while rare, a lot of people did because a lot of people parrot "Buy a 5D/5D2" whenever someone goes to upgrade from an xxD...

i sold my 40d to fund a 5d mkII purchse.. 'changed my mind when this camera came out.. now my plan is to buy this cam now, and pair it with a 5d classic down the road..

KenjiS wrote in post #8637061
The only reason i see people dumping 5D MkIIs for 7Ds is if they are like me, and might have bought the 5D MkII because of it being an excellent camera body and never being entirely happy because of its AF and its speed...

IE, people who bought a 5DII for wildlife or sports or something, while rare, a lot of people did because a lot of people parrot "Buy a 5D/5D2" whenever someone goes to upgrade from an xxD...

you bought the 5d II for the wrong reasons. for what it does there is no better value out there than the 5d II. i had the 5d classic and i never understood the rap it took for having poor AF.

ed rader

KenjiS wrote in post #8636747
I dont think 1D3 users will downgrade, but people who might have previously been looking to buy a 1D3 might get the 7D instead and invest the $2300 saved in lenses..

And truthfully? Thats a good idea!

you mean if they don't already have lenses. i think that many who buy 1d bodies already have lenses and it's not an either/or type of purchase for them.

ed rader