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petriej
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Sep 18, 2009 14:46 |  #1

Hello,
I'm quite new to the forum, but learning lot. Here is an older shot from Ka'anapali Beach with my P&S SD1000. I've tuned it up a little bit, but would like some C&C.

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I need a panoramic B&W, and I really want to convert this to B&W but everything I've tried yields a lifeless result.

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Sep 18, 2009 21:44 |  #2

The sun ball is just too large - it needs to be less overpowering, but how is that to be changed?
It is also too centered, vertically and horizontally.
The composition is suffering from all of that - so, changing to B & W is doomed before you start.


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Sep 22, 2009 08:52 |  #3

Would it help if I re-cropped with focus on the boat?


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Sep 22, 2009 10:18 |  #4

problem is the boat is underexposed, so to focus on something that is too dark is pointless.

sunsets are difficult without the proper equipment. dont be hard on yourself over it.

you need some combination of the proper filters and processing to get it truly right.


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Sep 22, 2009 13:07 |  #5

What kind of filters would you recommend starting off with? I have a TriStar Optics C-PL and a UV filter that I bought with my new T1i, but have not been able to get out and grab any good sunsets. How can I get the right exposure on the subjects, but maintain good colors with the rest of the sunset?

Thank you,

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Sep 22, 2009 13:40 |  #6

Walked that beach a few years ago, it sure is pretty. I hope I get to go back soon.


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Sep 22, 2009 14:01 |  #7

i like the shot sometimes rules are to be broke the boat is not center.i gess it works for me.i think that is a hard shot shooting in to the sun like that.




  
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Sep 22, 2009 14:14 |  #8

You can't just go out at the time of sunset and get a good sunset shot. You have to wait until the sun and weather cooperate to give you an acceptable range of colors and tonality.

Generally speaking, it is best not to even look for a sunset until the upper limb of the sun is in its last minute or so - then you will have a smaller range of brightnesses to deal with. Even then, most of your other elements are going to be silhouettes. That is why you should look for silhouettes that stick out above the horizon and reflections that are created in the water.


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Sep 22, 2009 15:29 |  #9

Robert_Lay wrote in post #8689693 (external link)
You can't just go out at the time of sunset and get a good sunset shot. You have to wait until the sun and weather cooperate to give you an acceptable range of colors and tonality.

Generally speaking, it is best not to even look for a sunset until the upper limb of the sun is in its last minute or so - then you will have a smaller range of brightnesses to deal with. Even then, most of your other elements are going to be silhouettes. That is why you should look for silhouettes that stick out above the horizon and reflections that are created in the water.

Mr. Lay, thank you for you advice. I've a couple of other shots on the following thread:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=756299

#1, and #3 were taken after the sun had disappeared below the horizon. Although both still need work, is the composition better, or is it still somewhat of a loss due to the appearance of the boat as an insignificant detail in the overall picture? Does it turn into a distraction?

Thank you,


J


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Sep 22, 2009 15:37 |  #10

I dont shoot sunsets but from what I know....use a neutral density filter. an ND filter will allow you to use a longer exposure which will cut down on some of the light from the sun but the longer exposure will allow you to expose the water and boats a bit better. it should also color up the sky a little bluer.

also, once the sun drops a bit more, spot meter for the sky to the right of the sun. Evaluative will meter based mostly on the sun and take the other areas into account as well. spot meter for the sky and you should get a better exposure.

in terms of B&W, I would personally not do a sunset in B&W. not saying it can't/shouldnt be done but a good sunset picture will give you some great colors.


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Sep 22, 2009 21:41 |  #11

petriej wrote in post #8690220 (external link)
Mr. Lay, thank you for you advice. I've a couple of other shots on the following thread:

Looked at your referenced shots, and my suggestion would be to use either ---7285m.jpg or ---7588m.jpg.


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