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Will a Pocket Wizard Plus II work with a 580EX II?

 
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Sep 24, 2009 12:56 |  #1

Alright, I'm new to all this lighting stuff but am wanting to learn. I only have a 580EX II right now but wanted to know whether or not a Plus II would work with it as in, if I put the 580 in slave mode, would the Plus II trigger it? Don't worry, I plan on buying more lighting.

Btw, what would you suggest for someone starting in studio work/senior pictures?


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Sep 24, 2009 12:58 |  #2

I haven't used this combination myself, but I'm pretty sure you don't need to put the 580exii in slave mode. just connect the pw plus II via the pc cord.


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Sep 24, 2009 13:04 |  #3

exodusfman800 wrote in post #8702229 (external link)
Alright, I'm new to all this lighting stuff but am wanting to learn. I only have a 580EX II right now but wanted to know whether or not a Plus II would work with it as in, if I put the 580 in slave mode, would the Plus II trigger it? Don't worry, I plan on buying more lighting.

Btw, what would you suggest for someone starting in studio work/senior pictures?

If you're asking if you can use the Plus II as sort of a master attached to the camera to remotely trigger a stand-alone, off-camera 580EX, the answer is 'no'. However, if you have two Plus II units and you connected one of them to the 580EX and the other Plus II unit is mounted in the hotshoe or connected to the PC terminal of the camera, then yes, you will be able to trigger the 580EX with the Plus II.


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Sep 24, 2009 15:32 |  #4

PacAce wrote in post #8702279 (external link)
If you're asking if you can use the Plus II as sort of a master attached to the camera to remotely trigger a stand-alone, off-camera 580EX, the answer is 'no'. However, if you have two Plus II units and you connected one of them to the 580EX and the other Plus II unit is mounted in the hotshoe or connected to the PC terminal of the camera, then yes, you will be able to trigger the 580EX with the Plus II.

Dang it...I just don't want to use an ST-E2.


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Sep 24, 2009 16:10 as a reply to  @ post 8703258 |  #5

If you really don't want to go for a pair of pocketwizards (or similar), then why not pay a little more than the cost of a ST-E2 and pick up a second flash (i.e. 430EX II) as a slave to your 580EX II.

...it's only $50 more (on the b&H site)...and then you would have two speedlights :D


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Sep 24, 2009 17:33 |  #6

Using a PW with a 580EX II has the potential to cause the PW to fail.

Read this link (it also applies to using PW Plus if attaching the PW close to the 580EX II):
http://www.pocketwizar​d.com/news_events/news​/ac7/ (external link)

If your going to use a PW Plus II and a 580EX make sure you have the PW as far away as practical. This cable I would recommend.
http://www.flashzebra.​com/wizardcables/screw​lock.shtml (external link)




  
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Sep 25, 2009 07:24 |  #7

Haribo wrote in post #8703301 (external link)
If you really don't want to go for a pair of pocketwizards (or similar), then why not pay a little more than the cost of a ST-E2 and pick up a second flash (i.e. 430EX II) as a slave to your 580EX II.

...it's only $50 more (on the b&H site)...and then you would have two speedlights :D

That's where I'm at right now. I have the 430 and 580 for my two bodies when I'm shooting events, and then I can also get the 430 off camera triggered by my 580 on camera. OCF rocks!




  
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Sep 25, 2009 07:42 |  #8

contacat http://michaelbass.blo​gspot.com/ (external link) he has a fix to give the 580 the availabilty to be triggered by a PW and use it as a mater in a set.


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Sep 25, 2009 08:39 |  #9

Rick Denham wrote in post #8706572 (external link)
contacat http://michaelbass.blo​gspot.com/ (external link) he has a fix to give the 580 the availabilty to be triggered by a PW and use it as a mater in a set.

I highly doubt that! The 580EX is not going to require a "fix" to allow a PW unit mounted on a camera to trigger a 580EX off camera. A PW compatible radio circuit would need to be installed in or on the 580EX to make that happen and that is hardly what I would call a fix.

I think what you are thinking of is the mod Michael does to the 580EX to allow the PC terminal to be used when the flash is set to Manual-Master mode (a stock 580EX has the PC terminal disabled in Manual-Master mode). This will still require a radio unit to be connected to the flash unit which is what the OP is trying to avoid.


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Sep 25, 2009 09:24 |  #10

highly doubt as much as you want, but this is straight from Mike's site

The 580EX II has a MANUAL mode and an AUTO mode. The AUTO mode is often just referred to as the eTTL mode. This is pretty obvious, and this are the two ways the flash will operate in. Now, this flash has a wireless controller system (whcih is separate from the MANUAL or AUTO modes of operation) that operates in the IR (infrared) spectrum which is generally line of sight, or slight bouncing of the rays, just like your television remote control. The PW's operate in the RF (radiofrequency) spectrum, and these waves travel much further, and through many obstacles. This wireless controller can be in one of 3 states of operation: OFF, MASTER, and SLAVE. If you have 3 states of operation of the wireless controller, in each of the 2 modes of operation (MANUAL or AUTO), this will give you 6 separate operating modes. The PC Jack as it is wired from the factory, is NOT active when the flash is in the MANUAL-MASTER mode of operation. The Re-Wire Mod will make this PC jack operational in this specific mode, which is used when the 580EX II is used off camera and connected to a PW (receiver) which is being triggered by a PW (transmitter) in the camera hot shoe. If this is the extent of your setup, then the 580EX II can be set in the MANUAL mode with the wireless component in the OFF position, and all will work fine. If you are wnating this 580EX II flash to act as a MASTER flash to trigger another flash unit which is set as a SLAVE unit, then you see that this 580EX II unit would need to be in the MANUAL-MASTER mode, which turns the wireless controller ON while in the MANUAL mode of operation. Just above (in this paragraph) I said that the PC jack is NOT active as it comes from the factory when the flash is in the MANUAL-MASTER mode...unless the Re-Wire Mod is done.

So, yes indeed you can re-wire the 580exii to be set into manual master mode and fire off slaves in a group.

Don't mess with me when it comes to off camera speedlights, I am a God.

Oh, and in case you were wondering, the stock 580ex does not have the pc terminal disabled in manual-master mode, as the stock 580ex does not have a pc sync. I believe you may have the 580ex confused with the newer 580exii


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Sep 25, 2009 09:41 |  #11

Rick Denham wrote in post #8706990 (external link)
highly doubt as much as you want, but this is straight from Mike's site

So, yes indeed you can re-wire the 580exii to be set into manual master mode and fire off slaves in a group.

Don't mess with me when it comes to off camera speedlights, I am a God.

Oh, and in case you were wondering, the stock 580ex does not have the pc terminal disabled in manual-master mode, as the stock 580ex does not have a pc sync. I believe you may have the 580ex confused with the newer 580exii

I think you need to reread this whole thread, especially the OP, before you make assumptions. You're post is off-topic. ;)


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Sep 25, 2009 10:02 |  #12

so i do. i may be a master at off cam, but never said i am a good reader. guess i assumed he meant firing a 580 slave from a pw'd 580. my bad


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Sep 25, 2009 12:27 |  #13

Does the PW plus II work in high speed sinc with the 580 EX II?


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Sep 25, 2009 12:27 |  #14

I think I'm just gonna save up a little more money and get some Alien Bee's. Good idea or no?


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Sep 25, 2009 12:47 |  #15

exodusfman800 wrote in post #8708089 (external link)
I think I'm just gonna save up a little more money and get some Alien Bee's. Good idea or no?

:lol:

This sounds like my dilemma right now. I'm about to pull the trigger on a light stand/umbrella kit from mpex.com to use with my 430EXII. I LOVE having E-TTL as it works pretty well in getting the "right" (or close enough) flash power. It's wireless, runs off of batteries, BUT studio strobes are so much more powerful. But they are all manual, you need A/C power, you need to figure out a way to trigger them....

Hope you figure it all out!




  
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