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Unhappy with IQ (Is it lenses, camera or me)

 
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Sep 29, 2009 09:12 |  #1

Over the last few months or so, I've been getting what I feel are poor quality images from my 5D. The main culprit from the lens point of view was 24-105, which gets rave reviews everywhere, and is my main walkabout lens. I also have a 70-200 F4 which gets a run out every now and again, as well as 100mm macro, not used that often, nifty fifty, rarely used, and a new 17-40, which again gets great reviews and has good IQ.

So, I'm at home today and thought I'd do a rough test to see if any of the lenses produced what I feel to be a good IQ image. Bear with me, need 2 posts for this.

Below are 16 shots from 5 lenses mentioned about, taken at either end of the zoom range, if its got one, and at its widest aperture and also F8. All shots taken on a tripod, with remote release and mirror lockup enabled, with shutter speed of 1/125th. These are all 100% crops with no PP.

My question is this: Is the IQ what you would expect from these lenses or is there something wrong with a)lens b)camera or c)me.

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24-105mm @ 24mm @ F4

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24-105mm @ 24mm @ F8
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Sep 29, 2009 09:19 |  #2

17-40mm @ 17mm @ F4

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17-40mm @ 17mm @F8
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17-40mm @ 40mm @ F4
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70-200mm @ 70mm @ F4
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70-200mm @ 70mm @ F8
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I know I'm being paranoid but I want to start sending some of my work in to magazines, etc. and I know they are sh!t hot on IQ.

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Sep 29, 2009 10:01 |  #3

what kind of IQ problems do you think you're having? AF issues?.... you can answer that. I'm not sure what you're paranoid about.



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Sep 29, 2009 10:18 |  #4

Would you be happy with the quality of these images? Focusing may be an issue but I think there is a definite lack of sharpness to all the images. When I'm shooting in real life, like the wedding I did a few weeks back, my first one, I was really disappointed with the "fuzziness" of the shots. These test shots look the same.


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Sep 29, 2009 10:21 |  #5

What was the lighting setup for these test shots? Lighting can make all the difference in the world.




  
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Sep 29, 2009 10:28 |  #6

I don't see what's wrong with the photos. With two exceptions (both likely influenced by focus point or shutter speed), I can find a sharp area in each photo. I don't understand what you expect from the camera. Sharpness is largely dependent on lenses and focus, and amount of sharpening applied in processing.


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Sep 29, 2009 10:38 |  #7

Why did you spend that kinda money to take pix of boxes? How about some real world photos?


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Sep 29, 2009 10:42 |  #8

I would choose a different type of target too, I never understood why printed material on boxes and batteries make for good focus checks, because printing on paper, cardboard or plastic in itself isn't sharp. Maybe a fuzzy stuff animal or plants, etc would be better, something with some minute detail?

The 105mm seems off a bit especially compared to the 100mm, but that is all I see that might be an issue. However the crops on the 24-105 don't jive with the 100mm crop, the 105mm should be even closer and crisper than the 100mm, so the test was not consistent to compare between those two lenses.


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Sep 29, 2009 10:44 |  #9

OK, lets take the F8 shots of the 100mm and the 24-105mm at 105mm. You are saying that there is a sharp area to each of the shots, I' d like to know where it is on the 105mm shot as it looks less defined than the 100mm shot at the same f-stop.

So, from the responses so far, each of you would be happy with the IQ of these images, correct?


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Sep 29, 2009 10:46 |  #10

Direct lighting is never going to be nice (I think that's what these are..)




  
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Sep 29, 2009 10:50 as a reply to  @ form's post |  #11

Below is a shot from the wedding I spoke about, again a 100% crop. I think the image is "fuzzy"


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Sep 29, 2009 10:55 |  #12

they look a little over-exposed to me...

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Sep 29, 2009 10:56 |  #13

JuSlaughter wrote in post #8726855 (external link)
Below is a shot from the wedding I spoke about, again a 100% crop. I think the image is "fuzzy"

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For a 100% crop, that is satisfactory for me, but there are more discerning folks here. It cleans up ever so nicely too.

If just this 100% crop cleaned up like this, I can only imagine what the full shot would be.

Pixel peeping will make you go mad!

The issue I see in the crop is the high dynamic range, so it is always tough to get a great shot in direct sunlight, especially with sky, then facial shadows (at least for me).


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Sep 29, 2009 11:21 |  #14

JuSlaughter wrote in post #8726855 (external link)
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100% crop is a bogus evaluation...equivalen​t to looking at the 5D image at 39x enlargement


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Sep 29, 2009 11:30 |  #15

I don't see any problems with what you are posting...it's a 5D, not the hubble telescope. I have/had some of the lenses you are using, and my advice would be to go out and enjoy your camera. If you printed the images you are posting at a "normal" size, and not looked at them at 100% (as Wilt said) you will be hard pressed to see any difference between them at all.


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