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Sep 30, 2009 14:34 |  #16

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Kev, thanks for the compliment and crit (and additional comments). The images missing toes would have been so unless I were on a ladder and I point that out not to defend the shot but as just another thing to think about. Some pitches/fields have a very convex shape to them, and this was one. When shooting the opposite side, it is very likely that you'll get images like you see above and there's almost no way to prevent that. If you have toe amputations, make sure you concentrate on getting the players as they move across the center of the pitch.

Kev, talk to me a little more about how you adjust settings when clipping your reds. Those do tend to be brightest (just do a b/w channel mix and its obvious how the reds behave). Anyway, I'd be curious if you just dial down the ISO a touch until all is well again or what. Never really thought about looking at the color histo, just the lum. Thanks for the tip!

Good point about the crown of the field. Honestly, I shoot virtually all football and soccer standing up because the reach with the 400 is so long that the elevation change gives the illusion of shooting from a lower angle anyway. However, there is one field I shoot at that the grade is so steep I wonder how the kids don't roll downhill or feel like I need radio communication with the opposite sidelines to know what is happing past the center of the field so can totally understand how sometimes toes will be lost regardless of what you do.

I usually adjust with either aperture or shutter speed first because most of the time a 1/3 stop change will take care of it and I do all I can to not change ISO unless it is a full stop adjustment. If at all possible I try to stay on the natural ISO settings (100, 200, 400, etc). The lum histo is still the primary one I use but have started getting in the habit of looking at the color as well as a secondary check especially when I am trying to push things to the limit.

It seems to be most helpful indoors. Since I am a shutter speed freak, I have found that checking the color histo is what generally determines my final shutter speed selection. A lot of the time I think I can go up an additional 1/3 stop based on the lum but when I check the color it is better in the reds without the additional 1/3.

As an added comment, I also will use the blinkies to determine what is blown which in a lot of cases is things I don't care about anyway like lights in the background or highlights around the edges from backlight etc.

Hope that makes sense. If not let me know.


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Sep 30, 2009 14:43 |  #17

Makes total sense, thanks. I look at the blinkies for the same but never use the color histo. I'll try that and see what shakes. I agree with you on not moving ISO since its tougher to adjust on the fly (the 30D is actually MUCH better in that regard). I'd probably stop down 1/3 first since that can crisp things up anyway, then if its still clipped, maybe add some speed.


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Sep 30, 2009 17:40 |  #18

Good shots Scott and thank you for this

I remind myself of often and that is not to complain about the situation as much as what to do with it to get results.

It is my pet peeve the amount of complaining that goes on here about harsh light this and no light that.

Totally agree with you Vinny about the people on the sidelines lately. The last night game there were two guys with 75-300s with no flash probably shooting a shutter speed under 160. There was also a guy there with a MIII and 300 2.8 shooting ambient. I asked him if he was shooting 3200 or 6400. He said 1600. At 1600 he had to have been shooting at 200 or worst. Non of these were the girls that shoot for the year book either, just more people to get in the way.


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Sep 30, 2009 21:35 |  #19

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Good shots Scott and thank you for this

It is my pet peeve the amount of complaining that goes on here about harsh light this and no light that.

Totally agree with you Vinny about the people on the sidelines lately. The last night game there were two guys with 75-300s with no flash probably shooting a shutter speed under 160. There was also a guy there with a MIII and 300 2.8 shooting ambient. I asked him if he was shooting 3200 or 6400. He said 1600. At 1600 he had to have been shooting at 200 or worst. Non of these were the girls that shoot for the year book either, just more people to get in the way.

This really is a great thread. So many side points from one shoot.

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Sep 30, 2009 22:13 |  #20

Very nice shots indeed.... I'm on the field with the MKII/70-200 on the right shoulder, and the 30D/300F4 IS on the left. I am constantly switching between the two depending upon the distance of the action...Definitely keeps me on my toes.
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Sep 30, 2009 23:56 |  #21

Scott great pictures once again and with a 30D no less... really proves that with the right photog behind the equipment it only challenges the photog to be better. Thanks guys got some great tips and pointers on "eye of the photographer" and other useful info as well (mental note no chairs).

A quick question though... I hate useing charts and graphs at work then I find out how important they (histo) are in photography, and because I am willing to learn all I can to improve my photography, is there any good tutorials on histo's that you all can point me to.

Thanks again for your help.


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Oct 01, 2009 08:26 |  #22

JR it really comes from experience. Reading the histo is not a black and white issue because so much depends on what you are shooting. You will start to learn what to look for as you shoot more. There is plenty out there to read and I read it all in the beginning but, nothing beats experience and that just comes with time. I don't use the histo much any more and prefer to watch the blinkies instead knowing what should be blowing and what shouldn't.

I know Luminous Landscapes had some good info on the histo if I recall correctly.


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Oct 01, 2009 09:54 |  #23

Dan-o wrote in post #8740116 (external link)
JR it really comes from experience. Reading the histo is not a black and white issue because so much depends on what you are shooting. You will start to learn what to look for as you shoot more. There is plenty out there to read and I read it all in the beginning but, nothing beats experience and that just comes with time. I don't use the histo much any more and prefer to watch the blinkies instead knowing what should be blowing and what shouldn't.

I know Luminous Landscapes had some good info on the histo if I recall correctly.

Good points Dan and JR, thanks for that, very nice of you. I do look at my histo but the interesting part is that I have a mental picture of what it should look like for any given scene I am shooting so when I look, its more like a confirmation of what I think should be happening. If I see clipping, or less data than I wanted, I adjust accordingly.


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Oct 03, 2009 09:04 as a reply to  @ namasste's post |  #24

Great thread with lots of helpful tips. Thank you all for sharing your know how.
As far as controlling the red channel from clipping, I use the saturation setting in Picture Style (shooting JPEG) and dialing it down. Does this make sense and has anyone used this method? Or is shooting 1/3 stopped down a better way to control the red channel?
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