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Feb 11, 2012 23:04 |  #7936

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@ Kevin, nice stuff man !.. love the head wear props.. so vintage..
@ Phil, another cool shot by you..

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More of Aurielle..

4 lights again..

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same set up but with a beauty dish gridded this time..

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i know i will get flamed by some but i have to say it because i'm honest

there is so much processing going on here this beautiful girl now looks animated to compensate

for hot lighting from your rim/hair lights, you really need to start metering these lights

her right ear has no detail at all compared to her left ear, the hairlight is to hot on her left side (blown out)

if you spend more time to nail the lighting you will have less time spent processing ;)


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Feb 11, 2012 23:50 |  #7937

on FJ's subject, I don't disagree or agree completely
I have been on set for magazine cover shots that the photog never touches a light meter.

I agree on a little over processed , but i think that was the look going for esp~ because she is now being covered in rain :P (i don't see animated )

but I don't think every shot needs to be 100% technically correct, it takes the art out of it and turns it into a science.
I see the blown out parts, but I also see a light source (fake or real) from where it is coming from, could be a street light or w.e the mind can imagine (for the hair) image right

I agree with the right ear being blown out, there is no visual reason for it to be blown and i think the other ear would make more since being blown, b/c the light on the hair and the light on the shoulder.

not flaming just continuing the discussion


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Feb 11, 2012 23:59 |  #7938

Hi Pham, the hairlight on her left is a bit hot, don't you think? And also her right ear is glowing a bit, but I still love it and the processing is medieval, I love it so much! You rocked it! Her eyes are magic!


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Feb 12, 2012 07:48 |  #7939

FJ LOVE wrote in post #13871643 (external link)
i know i will get flamed by some but i have to say it because i'm honest

there is so much processing going on here this beautiful girl now looks animated to compensate

for hot lighting from your rim/hair lights, you really need to start metering these lights

her right ear has no detail at all compared to her left ear, the hairlight is to hot on her left side (blown out)

if you spend more time to nail the lighting you will have less time spent processing ;)

FJLove,

thanks for chiming in, no flaming taken, nor flaming back.. full discussion objectively

i can understand you think i blew out the hair high lights. and maybe i did to a certain level, probably beyond the technical levels if i were doing classic head shots or school pictures for a year book or so.. but with what i wanted in the end, i had bump up the highlights a tad get what i wanted in the end.. maybe i didn't need to, maybe i needed to do more?

i agree with you on the processing.. i took about 2 hours to do the processing to the way i liked it.. but since it took that long, i now know how to do it.. i was following some tutorial video to create a saturated, glowy look.. but it learning too..

also i don't have a meter.. probably won't buy one because i think kinda expensive, and my opinion is all or most serious strobist don't use them because it hinders their creativity, i think most buy them and use them, and from there, the meters just stays in the bag after the users fully understands light, settings, etc.

here is the SOOC image, i don't like posting these, but just wanted you too see what i started out with..

my goals with this images wasn't to make a technically correct image, it was to make art. to make something with my vision and something with originality. i wanted impact and not something that everybody else does.. (pretty sure my portfolio has illustrated this same flow)

anyways.. art is art.

a quote that totally relates to this discussion

"Do you think anyone in photography really creates new concepts or are we just re-using the same things in different ways that someone else has shot at some point in the past?

I think new concepts are being created in the post processing genera of photography all the time. The way light and colors can be manipulated completely changes the feel of the photo vs the way it came out of the camera.

Ways to take a photograph has been beaten over and over, and there are only so many ways to light up a subject and all iterations have been exhausted. So it leaves innovations in Post processing, Compositions, and the ART of photography lays with the Artist him or her self.. (the jaw dropping photo created in the artist mind is conceived way before the actual lighting set up is done and the execution of the conceived photo is the easy part.. then the post processing becomes the signature of each Artist.)
So short answer is yes.. new concepts are being created only in the sense of the Art and Conceived Concepts, throw in post processing and you will get an infinite New Concepts in photography."



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Feb 12, 2012 08:21 |  #7940

Pham

What was your vision for this image (session)?


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Feb 12, 2012 09:10 |  #7941

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Feb 12, 2012 10:46 |  #7942

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FJLove,


also i don't have a meter.. probably won't buy one because i think kinda expensive, and my opinion is all or most serious strobist don't use them because it hinders their creativity, i think most buy them and use them, and from there, the meters just stays in the bag after the users fully understands light, settings, etc.

"Do you think anyone in photography really creates new concepts or are we just re-using the same things in different ways that someone else has shot at some point in the past?

I think new concepts are being created in the post processing genera of photography all the time. The way light and colors can be manipulated completely changes the feel of the photo vs the way it came out of the camera.

Ways to take a photograph has been beaten over and over, and there are only so many ways to light up a subject and all iterations have been exhausted. So it leaves innovations in Post processing, Compositions, and the ART of photography lays with the Artist him or her self.. (the jaw dropping photo created in the artist mind is conceived way before the actual lighting set up is done and the execution of the conceived photo is the easy part.. then the post processing becomes the signature of each Artist.)
So short answer is yes.. new concepts are being created only in the sense of the Art and Conceived Concepts, throw in post processing and you will get an infinite New Concepts in photography."




Pham , i have to take issue with this statement, how can you say you understand light if you've never had a meter to leave in the bag ????

if you don't use a meter how do you know which light is your main or your fill, are your shadows created in photoshop ?

secondly your last paragraph here, i think many of todays n00bs don't take the time to learn how to shoot a proper exposure to even know how to break the rules

today people don't worry about getting it right in camera instead they rely heavily on photoshop, i like to get it right in camera so that there is a much better file to retouch later

but you are right about art, it is subjective and everyone interprets it differently, i think before digital, photographers really knew how to shoot, they don't anymore everything is photoshopped to death

Alejandro Sandoval, Zack Sutton and Scott (abbadon) are a few of the guys who are very creative but keep it real in photoshop


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Feb 12, 2012 10:48 as a reply to  @ post 13870547 |  #7943

Hello,
My name is Aldor and I live in Romania. I want to share, with you, my passion for photography. This is my first photo shoot with the flash off the camera. Here we used 2 Canon 430 EXII flash + two umbrellas of 103 cm.

I apologize for my rough English.

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Feb 12, 2012 10:51 |  #7944

Your English may be rough (really is it good) but your pictures are fantastic!


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Feb 12, 2012 10:53 |  #7945

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Feb 12, 2012 10:54 |  #7946

Thank you for your appreciation.
In addition to my post, I would like to add some information.
The two flashes were ordered by Pixel Knight system.




  
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Feb 12, 2012 11:14 |  #7947

FJ LOVE wrote in post #13873379 (external link)
Pham , i have to take issue with this statement, how can you say you understand light if you've never had a meter to leave in the bag ????

if you don't use a meter how do you know which light is your main or your fill, are your shadows created in photoshop ?

secondly your last paragraph here, i think many of todays n00bs don't take the time to learn how to shoot a proper exposure to even know how to break the rules

today people don't worry about getting it right in camera instead they rely heavily on photoshop, i like to get it right in camera so that there is a much better file to retouch later

but you are right about art, it is subjective and everyone interprets it differently, i think before digital, photographers really knew how to shoot, they don't anymore everything is photoshopped to death

Alejandro Sandoval, Zack Sutton and Scott (abbadon) are a few of the guys who are very creative but keep it real in photoshop

FJLove,

it is ok you have the rights to your own opinion..

the guys you mention above are all excellent photographers and photoshop users and i consider them my peers..

have a good sunday..

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Feb 12, 2012 11:16 |  #7948

Aldor wrote in post #13873398 (external link)
Thank you for your appreciation.
In addition to my post, I would like to add some information.
The two flashes were ordered by Pixel Knight system.

Your written English is superior to many native speakers, and your photos are quite nice too!

I would have like to see you stop down a bit to darken the background a bit more, but those are very nice.

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Feb 12, 2012 11:37 |  #7949

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have a good sunday..

pham

thanks Pham, you too :cool:


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Feb 12, 2012 12:07 |  #7950

Aldor wrote in post #13873381 (external link)
Hello,
My name is Aldor and I live in Romania. I want to share, with you, my passion for photography. This is my first photo shoot with the flash off the camera. Here we used 2 Canon 430 EXII flash + two umbrellas of 103 cm.

I apologize for my rough English.

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