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Oct 04, 2009 19:38 |  #1

Hello All,
What adjustments would you make in getting the best possible sports shots in dim court lighting? Adjust aperture and ISO? To what degree and what else?

I am shooting a Juniors Tennis tournament this weekend and need to maintain a minimum 1/400 shutter speed. I would like to be able to continue shooting as the sun goes down and court lights come on. Canon 30d with 28-135mm ef lens, 3.5-5.6 IS.

Also any ideas in generating additional income from the event or future prospects (portaits)? I am planning on shooting the participants and then offering pics for sale on my website. I will also offer prints with/without frames at the tournament.

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Oct 04, 2009 19:42 |  #2

This is going to be exceedingly difficult with the lens you have because it has such a slow maximum aperture. I shoot sports, and as the evening approaches you will find yourself shooting wide open and at ever high ISO levels.

The main problem is that you are going to run out of ISO levels with an f/5.6 lens, and the noise from ISO3200 and up (pushed) on a 30D is not likely to make for salable prints. Under most outside lighting setups (short of pro sports) you will need about ISO6400 to shoot f/5.6 and 1/400. Also, I'd call 1/400 pretty marginal for tennis. Any shot with a swing happening is going to have a blurred bracket at that speed.

Here is an example. This is right at sundown with field lights on. f/4, 1/500 and ISO3200. Note the hand blur. And once the sun was really down in this game it was about another 1.5 stops darker.


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Oct 04, 2009 19:45 |  #3

Unless those courts are lit unbelievably well, you may just want to put the camera away and work on sales and networking when the sun goes down. I doubt you'll be able to squeak out 1/400s, even at ISO 3200 with an f/5.6 lens. But yes, shoot wide open and adjust your ISO until you get good exposure and acceptable shutter speeds.

Sometimes its just best to know when to set the camera down.

One thing you may want to consider is renting a 70-200 f/2.8 or maybe even a 300mm f/2.8.

Just make sure you have a quality product and that people know where to find your sales table and website. Have an email sign-up sheet that you can use to let people know when you get the photos online. Be sure to get the photos up as soon as possible, people will be waiting!


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Oct 04, 2009 22:27 |  #4

JeffreyG wrote in post #8760429 (external link)
This is going to be exceedingly difficult with the lens you have because it has such a slow maximum aperture. I shoot sports, and as the evening approaches you will find yourself shooting wide open and at ever high ISO levels.

The main problem is that you are going to run out of ISO levels with an f/5.6 lens, and the noise from ISO3200 and up (pushed) on a 30D is not likely to make for salable prints. Under most outside lighting setups (short of pro sports) you will need about ISO6400 to shoot f/5.6 and 1/400. Also, I'd call 1/400 pretty marginal for tennis. Any shot with a swing happening is going to have a blurred bracket at that speed.

Here is an example. This is right at sundown with field lights on. f/4, 1/500 and ISO3200. Note the hand blur. And once the sun was really down in this game it was about another 1.5 stops darker.

Thanks for the repies! I figured those would be the answers especially given my limitations with lens. I shot an adult tournament a few months ago, same club, and so knew my limitations with the courts. I am also a tennis player. I just did not push the ISO setting that much, maybe 1200, as I recall.

I can get away with 1/400 on certain shots Jeffrey but as stated would be my minimum and timing key. Players preparing to serve, return serve, some net play, and even at the height of ball toss on serve. Most players, good or bad, will slow the swing motion at some point just before actually striking the ball on serve. Typically at apex of ball and just before downward drop of racket. This can also be the case on ground strokes as better players prepare earlier and thus you get a pose. I would not get the ball in any of those instances, with exception of serve, but do have opportunities for some good shots. All of this depends on player style and just how dim the lighting gets of course.

Any suggestions on drumming up more sales at such an event? Thanks!:)


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Oct 05, 2009 08:04 |  #5

I agree with DDCSD about renting a 2.8 70-200. These lenses are amazing for sports and getting in on the action, even at low light.


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Oct 05, 2009 09:01 |  #6

another lens to check out would be a 135mm f/2L. or an 85mm f/1.8. those are the two lenses i keep in my arsenal for poorly lit gyms and indoor sports. even faster than the f/2.8, but fixed focal length.


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Oct 05, 2009 09:49 |  #7

If you can get close to the court, then either buy or rent the 85mm f/1.8. If you need to crop in a bit, you'll still get better results than using your effective f/5.6 lens.


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Nov 27, 2009 15:03 |  #8

the 200mm 2.0 or 1.8 is the glass to have for sports


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