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Oct 06, 2009 17:30 |  #1

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Can someone tell me the problem(s) with this shot? (it's just a test so I know the composition is boring / bad- this is just for illustration) I shoot in RAW. Is it the lighting (open shade), my camera (40D), lens (70-200 2.8) All my images are flat as a board and I can't figure it out... they look like they are literally a cut out placed in front of a background. NO depth or dimension and whenever I play with them in Lightroom or PS they just look un-natural and the depth and dimension rarely improves without me spending an hour on each photo. When I enlarge my images they are just a flat, un-sharp, blurry, pixelated mess.

Any ideas or tips for me?

Looking to see how your raw images look SOOC and the steps you take to give them depth and dimension. Do you deal with this or am I doing something very, very wrong????? PLEASE respond! What can I specifically do to avoid this?

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Oct 06, 2009 17:32 |  #2

Let's start with...

Can you post this bigger please? You can go 1024x on the longest size or else a link to a larger image.

Can't really tell much at this size, sorry.


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Oct 06, 2009 17:36 |  #3

Larger or link please and allow for downloading, if possible, of your raw file if you want anyone here to see what they can do.


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Oct 06, 2009 17:40 |  #4

I generally only dropped the brightness of the highlight areas and the shadow areas, and increased the contrast...

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Oct 06, 2009 21:35 as a reply to  @ Wilt's post |  #5

Sorry about the size- it kept giving me an error that my file was too big. I'll try again... be right back!




  
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Oct 06, 2009 22:50 as a reply to  @ slqc's post |  #6

ok... hopefully this photo is better.

  • Do your RAW images look 100% flat like this?
  • What specifically do you do to edit your images (do you run a specific action or preset to start off)?
My RAW files look like flat cut outs of people placed in a yard! Without spending an hour on each photo can someone give me some advice?

Is it lighting? Depth of field? Focal length????

Any advice?
Thanks in advance!


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Oct 07, 2009 04:18 as a reply to  @ slqc's post |  #7

Raw images can intially look flat and uninspiring sometimes, that's because they're waiting for you to "develop" them rather than the camera.

Shooting Raw can mean more work in front of the monitor as you have to make the choices the camera would have otherwise made for you, such as white balance, how much contrast, saturation, sharpening etc. It's this facility which is the real power behind shooting Raw but it does mean a little effort is required to make images "pop".

Simply work down the adjustments panel in order, using the histogram to guide your decisions and you should come out with something good. Often I simply press "Auto" in Camera Raw and see if that's a good baseline to start from too. Sometimes it's surprisingly good, occasionally surprisingly bad, but it may set you in the right direction.


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Oct 07, 2009 09:20 |  #8

I reduced overall exposure by 0.67EV in this version (more than the last one), used the Recovery feature of LR2 to grab some detail back from the overexposed highlight areas, increased Contrast, and boosted Vibrancy and Saturation a touch. (The previous post's edit was using Paint Shop Pro X2)


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Oct 07, 2009 09:34 |  #9

Nice edit wilt but the pic looks a bit cool,not to hot on editing myself could you warm it up a bit,and let us know what you did thanks,
sorry not hijacking but it makes sense when an expert shows you how to do it.:confused:




  
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Oct 07, 2009 09:55 |  #10

Hi slqc,

This is a nice informal family shot, and everyone looks like they are truly happy and enjoying the scene. The small image that you posted appears, as a JPEG, to be overexposed, especially in the facial skin tones and the light clothing of the infant. While open shade gives a diffuse light, there is a price to pay - namely that there is very little modeling of form in the way of contrast across the faces, etc. built by light and shadow. Open shade also produces a blue cast, as the color temperature of the shade is very high, due essentially to the fill light coming from the open blue sky.

So, you are fighting against loss of modeling of form, overexposure and high color temperature without white balance control. So, the people look flat and blue. What to do?

You need to have a white balance reference under these conditions, in my opinion. This way there is no guessing at how the skin tones should look, and in this shot, you have a beautiful range of skin tones. Second, you need to get your exposure correct, even if shooting RAW, but ESPECIALLY is you are shooting JPEG. You may want to consider shooting a bracketed series of shots - for a couple of reasons:

1) you have a greater chance of "getting it right" if you are still mastering exposure (and who isn't, frankly)
2) you will capture a wider dynamic range that will afford you the opportunity to replace the blown out background of the properly exposed subjects with the background from the underexposed subjects.

Shoot with a tripod in burst mode and have at it, maybe +/- 1 stop - experiment. In RAW you may be able to recover a significant amount of highlight detail from the shot you posted - It would be helpful to see the RAW file.

As far as post on the JPEG of this shot, you would need to white balance and get the exposure under control (straightforward in RAW development) - then bring out the form of the subjects with some local contrast moves, or some dodging and burning.

I tried a couple of different things on the small JPEG, maybe a little over the top to see how far I could push it - for example, the left side of the darker skin toned faces are way too saturated and out of control. I also added a little simulated DOF bokeh to pop the subjects off of the background (again, maybe a little too much). You managed to get some good rim lighting on some of the subjects, but it is sort of haphazard, so it may not have been as effective as it could.

Another thing to consider is some directional light from an off camera flash or two, or maybe a big reflector just out of camera view that can access a patch of bright sunlight, to create some more shadow modeling across the subjects - this may get tricky with a larger group, but experiment and see if you can manage to pull it off.

Good luck - have fun!

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Oct 07, 2009 11:44 |  #11

Here is my edit.
I centered the family as they were a bit off to the right.
I used saturation, vibrance, dodged and burned the background, and used a slight warming filter and applied USM, then applied a border.
RAW is what it says it is, RAW.
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Oct 07, 2009 12:01 as a reply to  @ Ben Daniels's post |  #12

Why don't you post the RAW file?

Here's my edit. Just opened the JPG in DPP, decreased the brightness and increased the contrast.

I suggest you take a look at DPP. I think a lot of people get caught up in all the post processing options of LR. DPP is simple and effective, and I think it makes you a better photographer in the beginning of RAW shooting because you learn how to take better photos. It did for me anyway, and the images always look sharper and more accurate out of DPP for me.


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