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How many of us 'manipulate' the scene before taking the shot?

 
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Oct 08, 2009 11:26 |  #1

I wondered about this recently. I recall seeing a photographer that likes to take some sort of animal skull with him and 'place' it in his landscape shots. I started thinking about how much I manipulate my compositions when shooting. I can think of once I added a leaf to a bench scene, as it really needed it. Then there was that golf ball shot, I stuck it in a particular position and turned the brand towards the camera. I've cleaned off paths where there were too many leaves, added backdrops to a flower shot as to remove the fence from the background, turned a champagne glass, asked a guy to hold that strawberry under the chocolate fountain, placed a shoe on the path...and it goes on and on. Now that I think about it, I 'manipulate' probably 50-60% of my images. Until I started thinking about it, I didn't realize how much I did.

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This question doesn't apply to any type of portraiture, as that is entirely a 100% setup.

So, how much do you guys/gals 'improve' your composition by moving, adding, deleting from the scenes? Anyone out there a apply a 100% journalistic approach and capture it exactly as it is?

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Oct 08, 2009 11:29 |  #2

A rarely add any props to a shot but I often remove things either before taking the shot or afterward during post.


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Oct 08, 2009 11:35 as a reply to  @ krb's post |  #3

I do not add or remove anything...it's a race against the wind sometimes.


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Oct 08, 2009 11:37 |  #4

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I do not add or remove anything...it's a race against the wind sometimes.

Never cloned out a piece of trash or a powerline during post?


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Oct 08, 2009 11:47 |  #5

Post processing doesn't count :) I was mainly asking about physical changes to the scene..props and such.


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Oct 08, 2009 11:53 |  #6

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Never cloned out a piece of trash or a powerline during post?

No, although power lines and trash have been integral parts of a photo or two. I basically shoot 'street' photography, but actually, I just shoot what interests me outside. I happen to live in an urban environment, so it comes off as street. Everything is part of the setting.

Composing objects for a photo (or a painting) is actually an art within itself; one with which I've never been too comfortable.


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Oct 08, 2009 11:56 as a reply to  @ sjones's post |  #7

It depends . . .


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Oct 08, 2009 11:57 |  #8

H20boy wrote in post #8784731 (external link)
Post processing doesn't count :) I was mainly asking about physical changes to the scene..props and such.

I always prefer removing things physically before the shot but it isn't always possible. This shot was probably my worst about that:

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There's a bridge just out of the top of the frame, it's in the middle of a popular recreation area and it had rained fairly hard a few days before. All of that added up to lots of debris floating in the water and washed up along the edges. Anything man made like mcdonalds cups was cloned out along with anything out in the middle of the water that was distracting. It would not have been possible to clean up the scene before the shot.

Having said that, if there'd been a way of adding a deer wading across or something like that, I'd have done it in a heartbeat.

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Oct 08, 2009 11:59 |  #9

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It depends . . .

on what? I hate suspense.


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Oct 08, 2009 12:53 |  #10

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on what? I hate suspense.

Are you interested in capturing real life? Don't interfere. Are you interested in "telling a story", but can't find just the right scene? Add what tells the story. Are you intending to send a massage? Capturing the news? Selling a product?

My point is it depends on what and why you are shooting. I myself try to capture "what is", since I tend to do scenic/landscapes. But I will sometimes pose shots to make a scene look interesting too.

I think your own style and "signature" will be a big part of your own answer . . .


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Oct 08, 2009 22:33 |  #11

I won't ever add things to a scenic landscape or Urban scene. I just won't. I wil occasionally remove a piece of easily removed trash or an ugly leaf in the water, but if i can't easily remove it, i will try and recompose to crop it out, or use my feet and or camera position to downplay it. I don't like to clone things out in PP. I'm not a huge fan of spending hours on one picture in photoshop.

I will move a few things around to make a nice composition for a wedding (i.e. table settings, etc.) but I even try and keep that to a few shots only.


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I won't ever add things to a scenic landscape or Urban scene. I just won't. I wil occasionally remove a piece of easily removed trash or an ugly leaf in the water, but if i can't easily remove it, i will try and recompose to crop it out, or use my feet and or camera position to downplay it. I don't like to clone things out in PP. I'm not a huge fan of spending hours on one picture in photoshop.

I will move a few things around to make a nice composition for a wedding (i.e. table settings, etc.) but I even try and keep that to a few shots only.

A purist! We think alike. I won't rule it out, but I'd rather recompose, move or change camera angle too.


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I once moved the moon slightly to the left and flattened out a couple of mountains, but usually I'll leave well alone.


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Oct 09, 2009 09:46 |  #14

Why did you put that leaf on the bench?




  
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I once moved the moon slightly to the left and flattened out a couple of mountains, but usually I'll leave well alone.

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