5D1 vs Canon EOS-1D Mark II

Can someone explain the pro's and con's to moving from the the (old) 5D to Canon EOS-1D Mark II.?

I found a Canon EOS-1D Mark II for $ 1000.00 that looks and works very well.

5D - Full Frame
1D- 1.3x crop ( is it that big of diff? )

5D - 3FPS
1D - 8FPS ( wow ).

5D - 13MP
1D - 8MP

I want this to be my everything camera.( sports, portraits, weddings )

I believe the 5D will be too slow for sporting events, but losing MP and the full frame.. is it worth it?

Ideas?

As a defence for the 5D, it can do sports. Sure, the AF and FPS is a bit slow, but it's definitely capable of producing wonderful shots. I did quite a bit of sport coverage using just the 5D/70-200. It really puts the emphasis on anticipation and the idea of anti-spray/pray. But undoubtedly, the 1DMkII will do much better.

Now as a defence for the 1DMkII, though marketed as a sports camera, IMO, is an extremely versatile camera. In comparison to newer cameras, the high ISO isn't great. But quite honestly, it is not bad...at all. To add, the APS-H sensor is a rather good compromise. Switching between my 5D and 1DMkII, the smaller viewfinder does not bother me at all. Looking through a 20D on the other hand...

So those are my opinions. As for whether or not losing MP and full frame is worth it, it's a question only you can answer. Do you find yourself having to crop frequently? Do you need the fast FPS and AF? Do you need the build quality (which BTW is incredible)? Do you print your work frequently or simply post to web? If so, how large do you print? Questions like that will help determine whether or not it'll be worth it to you. A sports shooter will need the AF of a 1-series. A landscape shooter will need the MP of the 5D.

Now, my story. I am an "everything" shooter. From landscapes to sports to portraits, I shoot them. I shot the 5D exclusively for nearly 2 years. I, too, saw 1DMkII for about that same price. Decided, "I think it'll be fine". I sold my 5D and picked up the 1DMkII. And truthfully, I really like the 1DMkII. It still gives me superb results, but a little part of me is still attached to the 5D. After a couple months of owning just the 1DMkII, I bought another 5D as a second body. Now, I have the best of both worlds and could not be happier (though I wouldn't mind MkII/III versions of both cameras now...)

Hope this helps!

Save a bit more and go to the 1DS Mark II. That is like the 5D Classic on roids. It only gets you to 4 FPS but with good timing, that should be enough.

5D - FF
1DS2 - FF

5D - 3 fps
1DS2 - 4 fps

5D - 13 mp
1DS2 - 17 (gorgeous, finely-grained, highly-detailed) mp

5D - one usable AF point in the center
1DS2 - all usable, 7 cross-points at f/2.8

Also, all of the 1D prices will probably take a little price dip after Oct. 20th and Canon's announcement so I would wait at least a week after that.

I went from a 1Dii to a 5D and never looked back. The 1Dii has AF and FPS and build. Nothing else. The 5D has MP, smaller, IQ, and FF. It'll SMOKE a 1Dii on noise. If you're MISSING shots because of the 5D's AF then maybe consider it, but otherwise don't do it. Also consider a Nikon D700 is you can afford one as it's really these 2 bodies merged with better high ISOs (12mp, FF, better AF than a 1Dii, 8fps, clean 6400). Maybe they'll be some cheaper used ones now that the D3s is coming?

I would go with a 5D
Very capable camera.
Shoots pretty clean iso's to
lots to crop.
activate the extra af points with lenses applicible.

TheHoff wrote in post #8820305
Save a bit more and go to the 1DS Mark II. That is like the 5D Classic on roids. It only gets you to 4 FPS but with good timing, that should be enough.

5D - FF
1DS2 - FF

5D - 3 fps
1DS2 - 4 fps

5D - 13 mp
1DS2 - 17 (gorgeous, finely-grained, highly-detailed) mp

5D - one usable AF point in the center
1DS2 - all usable, 7 cross-points at f/2.8

Also, all of the 1D prices will probably take a little price dip after Oct. 20th and Canon's announcement so I would wait at least a week after that.

Yes the best of all worlds

EOS-1D Mark II - $ 1000.00
1DS Mark II - $ 2500.00

I can buy 2 for the price of one...

I believe he is contemplating a 5D and not a 5DII.

spcalan wrote in post #8819770
Can someone explain the pro's and con's to moving from the the (old) 5D to Canon EOS-1D Mark II.?

I found a Canon EOS-1D Mark II for $ 1000.00 that looks and works very well.

5D - Full Frame
1D- 1.3x crop ( is it that big of diff? )

5D - 3FPS
1D - 8FPS ( wow ).

5D - 13MP
1D - 8MP

I want this to be my everything camera.( sports, portraits, weddings )

I believe the 5D will be too slow for sporting events, but losing MP and the full frame.. is it worth it?

Ideas?

figure out what you need. i've used the 5d for sports but it's a bad choice for fast sports because of shutter lag and 3 fps but IQ is excellent as is noise at high ISOs.

if you want an everything camera you need a cropper of some sort. 1d mark III is the best choice but a much cheaper camera like a 7d, 40d or 50d would also be a better all-arounder than the 5d, imo .

ed rader

I'd go 1D Mk II if I could have only one. The IQ of the two cameras is pretty close. I see about a 1 stop noise advantage in the 5D, but for sports (which I a lot of) the AF performance of the 1D is just great! In all fairness I've not tried the 5D but my 40D's AF performance left me a bit dry so I doubt the 5D would impress me.

I find the 1D to be a great all around camera. I shot a wedding last spring with it. IQ was great, AF was spot on. The demands of portrait work, landscape work, etc. can be met by either but when you get to sports, the 1D really takes over. The 1D is just more complete & versatile.

Frame rate, 2 cards, built-in 2nd grip - sweet. Oh, and the 1.3 crop factor is a great compromise. I don't have nearly as much vignetting or corner sharpness loss with EF lenses as I do on the 5D. At the same time, the sensor is noticeably larger than APS-C and requires less magnification to render the final image.

1Ds Mk II - now that would be cool if price were not an issue.

I've owned both. Neither is a do-it-all camera. Not that you can't shoot sports with a 5D or can't shoot weddings with a 1DII, but both cameras are specialized enough due to features and limitations to preclude them from being true all-around cameras. I'm afraid if you want fast framerate, full frame, and double-digit megapixels Nikon is your only bet right now.

Then again if you're shooting weddings you need 2 cameras anyway, so it wouldn't be the end of the world to own both a 5D and a 1DII--1DII as primary for sports, and 5D as primary for everything else. That may or may not be reasonable considering your budget, but it's something worth considering.

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #8822883
I've owned both. Neither is a do-it-all camera. Not that you can't shoot sports with a 5D or can't shoot weddings with a 1DII, but both cameras are specialized enough due to features and limitations to preclude them from being true all-around cameras. I'm afraid if you want fast framerate, full frame, and double-digit megapixels Nikon is your only bet right now.

Then again if you're shooting weddings you need 2 cameras anyway, so it wouldn't be the end of the world to own both a 5D and a 1DII--1DII as primary for sports, and 5D as primary for everything else. That may or may not be reasonable considering your budget, but it's something worth considering.

he didn't say he needed FF.

ed rader

ed rader wrote in post #8822963
he didn't say he needed FF.

spcalan wrote in post #8819770
5D - Full Frame
1D- 1.3x crop ( is it that big of diff? )

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I believe the 5D will be too slow for sporting events, but losing MP and the full frame.. is it worth it?

Really?

Yohan Pamudji wrote in post #8822991
Really?

yeah really.

ed rader

spcalan wrote in post #8819770
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I want this to be my everything camera.( sports, portraits, weddings )
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ed rader wrote in post #8822761
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if you want an everything camera you need a cropper of some sort....

ed rader

Agreed.

Do everything cam? I would vote 1DmkIII or even the 7D; those are your best choices for a "do everything" cam until/if Canon releases a "3D".