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High School football! Needing some real critique... Please? :)

 
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Oct 14, 2009 17:41 |  #1

Alright so I *just* started shooting football very seriously this year. I'm a sophomore in high school so I'm still pretty new at this haha! I REALLY would love some critique knowing what I'm doing well and what I need to work on because I'm just going on my instinct and I know there are a lot of great photogs out here that could help point me in the right direction!

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Thanks so much all who help me out here
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Oct 14, 2009 17:43 |  #2

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Oct 14, 2009 18:07 |  #3

Most shots are pretty good. Focus is decent. Lighting was good. Just gotta get a LOT of the dead space from your shots. for example:

#1 has a subject that takes up about 10% of the entire frame. Crop to the player only!

#2 the guy on the ground isn't 'action' for the shot. just the back and the defender he's meeting downfield. crop everything else out

#3 looks ok ... try a little tighter, though

#4 is the tackle. the extra guys in the left side of frame shouldn't be there

Recrop and repost and I'll bet you'll get some agreement that you've got some pretty nice shots to share!

Lastly, it's difficult to get 'faces' because the kids' heads are all but covered, but it CAN be done with some forthought on where the action is coming from and going to. We should all quickly learn to pass on the action moving away from us where backs of uniforms are the best we can do.

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Oct 14, 2009 18:11 as a reply to  @ TaylorT's post |  #4

I'm no pro, but if you are only a HS sophomore you are off to a great start. My only suggestion as far as composition would be to crop a bit more to achieve more isolation of your subject, like the QB in #1 for example or the tackling in #4 and 5. The 70-200 2.8 is a fantastic lens, but I only use it inside the 20s when shooting from the end zone. I've found that 300-400mm is needed to isolate subjects at greater distances. Maybe you could see if your school would rent one from the yearbook budget for you or something.


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Oct 14, 2009 18:12 |  #5

Taylor:

here's an example of your QB shot, but cropped tightly:

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see how you can actually see his face? The kid's dad will buy this shot even though it's nothing to write home about. Point is, the action was coming AT ME so I could capture the player, his face, the number on his jersey, etc.

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Oct 14, 2009 18:21 |  #6

Thanks snyder!
Woulder something like this work?

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(took this during the varsity game later on in the day)

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Oct 14, 2009 18:30 as a reply to  @ TaylorT's post |  #7

Much better!




  
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Oct 14, 2009 18:35 |  #8

now you have pretty much a WOW shot! The player would be impressed! Not so much the sports shooters we have around this place, but that's a good shot!

If you're only a HS sophomore, you're doing a fantastic job! One thing that I do intentionally with crops is that I too shoot high school kids and sometimes leave more in a pic than probably should be there just because it's a good shot of a face with a number for the player to identify himself in a picture.

Again, the best advice the good shooters at POTN gave me was shoot from a spot where you're pretty sure the action is coming your way. Here's another with a face and the action coming my way. Note: Sometimes I crop these really tight to the pants of the ball carrier, but in this shot, the defender at the bottom of the shot kind of makes the shot for me. Here it is:

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Oct 14, 2009 18:53 |  #9

A lot of the time the 'action' is in the facial expression as well as on the pitch. I'm just starting out but often find that an uninspiring wide play shot can come alive with a close cropped focused image. Good work once the clutter was cropped out.


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Oct 14, 2009 19:05 |  #10

That's great work. You took some good pictures. The focus, color, etc. is nice.

Just try for the faces (and of course those long bombs).


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Oct 14, 2009 21:04 |  #11

As others have said crop tighter. Also fix your horizons it is a very easy fix and shouldn't be missed. Be patient with that lens, let it come to you. Shooting all the way across the field is pretty much a waste of time but you can still get by without a long lens.

I know you are new to the sports thing but looking at your Flicker you are good at portraits, so look for good opportunities on the sidelines for faces. You are off to a very good start, keep it up.


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Oct 14, 2009 21:32 |  #12

Thank you soooo much for the feedback everyone! It's been super helpful.


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Oct 14, 2009 21:45 |  #13

JPBones73 wrote in post #8823103 (external link)
I'm no pro, but if you are only a HS sophomore you are off to a great start.

snyderman wrote in post #8823215 (external link)
If you're only a HS sophomore, you're doing a fantastic job!

Add me to this crowd! Fantastic job!!

The best advice I could give you it to keep shooting, keep posting, keep reading, keep learning. You've got a terrific start.

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Oct 14, 2009 22:02 |  #14

yep, you're hired.


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Oct 15, 2009 09:48 |  #15

Another thing, I started with a Rebel XTi myself and I think it only gets 3.5 fps. There's some shots that you're going to miss over a camera that gets 6.5, 8 or 10 fps even if you're locked in on the action. ALL sports photographers miss dozens of opportunities during a game with 22 people running all over the field. That's why it becomes addicting. But I compared my shots I took for a website at a recent game with the ones that were published in the newspaper, and the guy shooting next to me at 10 fps would grab things from the same action scene that my 6.5 fps missed. It really does make a difference.


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