DPP Summit

Mountain Drifter wrote in post #8858442
When I convert and save to Jpeg and open in the image edit window the NR sliders in the Raw box are showing default settings of Luminance 1 Chrominance 4, but these are of course not adjustable as now I'm looking at a Jpeg. Is this right?

This shouldn't affect the jpg.

Mountain Drifter wrote in post #8858442
The other thing I've noticed is when looking at my converted Jpeg, is if I switch back to the original Raw and reduce the default sharpening of 7 to zero the two files do look almost identical now, is it possible that for some reason that sharpening isn't being applied when saving to Jpeg?

Normally, no.

Just to make certain: You are comparing at 100% view?

Here's a screenshot of a CR2 in DPP next to the converted image (jpg) in PS. Identical in my book:

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tonylong wrote in post #8847093
When you're looking at the "normal" view in DPP, you aren not really viewing the actual sharpness -- to do that, zoom to the 100% view and adjust the sharpness to taste,

René Damkot wrote in post #8859472
Just to make certain: You are comparing at 100% view?

I've been viewing at the "Fit to window size" and when I have been looking at the 100% it wasn't back to back with the two samples to compare. Tony pointed this out yesterday, and I'm not sure how I missed it, and after Renes reminder I tried it, and what do you know, at 100% the two look identical as far as I can see. And when I responded to Patwill that I didn't down size, I wasn't thinking about the fit to window as downsizing, but I guess it is. Thanks for your patience with me.

So that leads to another question. When I regularly sharpen images (up until now it's only been Jpegs) I usually do it at 100% but then preview it downsized to where I intend to view it to see if I like it. So is there any way while I'm working on the original RAW to see what it'll look like as a downsized Jpeg, or should I just get it close in RAW, convert to Jpeg and then finish sharpening?

BTW guys, I really do appreciate the help. DPP is the first RAW I've worked with and I'm already impressed with how easy it is to adjust exposure and make corrections to highlights and shadows. As soon as I get my workflow figured out I'll be set.

Can i ask the experts here how they deal with the tool pallet.
In the main window i find i have to keep moving it around or hiding it. I know you can dock it in the Edit window but is there a way of getting this sort of thing in the main window?

Thanks. I must admit im getting to like DPP again although with out arbitrary rotation i wont stick with it any longer than i have to .

Mountain Drifter wrote in post #8860638
at 100% the two look identical as far as I can see

Good to hear

Mountain Drifter wrote in post #8860638
So that leads to another question. When I regularly sharpen images (up until now it's only been Jpegs) I usually do it at 100% but then preview it downsized to where I intend to view it to see if I like it. So is there any way while I'm working on the original RAW to see what it'll look like as a downsized Jpeg, or should I just get it close in RAW, convert to Jpeg and then finish sharpening?

Only way I know of is to actually convert to a jpg at intended size, view that jpg at 100%, and if needed go back to DPP and alter settings. Should not take you too long to figure out what te relationship is between 100% and fit to screen for your screen size... If you get a really bad preview at fit to screen, then you have bad luck... Maybe 50% view works better (then fit to window) for you in that case .

dave_bass5 wrote in post #8860798
Can i ask the experts here how they deal with the tool pallet.
In the main window i find i have to keep moving it around or hiding it. I know you can dock it in the Edit window but is there a way of getting this sort of thing in the main window?

Used to be in older version, but IIRC the option to dock it there is no longer available.
I just use the Cmd+T shortcut on my laptop, andhave it on my second screen on the desktop. One annoyance about it, is that you have to click twice when moving between tool palette and Edit image window: Once to get focus on the window, a second time to click what you clicked before... Silly.

Thanks Rene.
I was going to post that i thought i had been able to do it in the past but not recently.

Something I often do with DPP.

1) Quickly apply the same processing to several files.
Process a picture as I like. Right click with the mouse on its thumbnail; select "copy recipe to clipboard". Select as many other pictures as needed (thumbnails are fine). Right click on any on them and select "Copy recipe to selected images".

2) Same white balance for multiple pictures.
Either do as in 1), if appropriate, or decide a white balance for one picture and then register it as one of the three available slots (press register, then the number). You can then use the same white balance in other pictures by selecting the same numbered slot.

3) Use picture styles
I very often find use for the picture styles, including those available for download from canon japan. Amongst my favourites: neutral, p-snapshot, landscape (watch the saturation, though) and autumn hues.


Bye,
Luca

LucaV wrote in post #8862165
Something I often do with DPP.

1) Quickly apply the same processing to several files.
Process a picture as I like. Right click with the mouse on its thumbnail; select "copy recipe to clipboard". Select as many other pictures as needed (thumbnails are fine). Right click on any on them and select "Copy recipe to selected images".

There is an easier way that doesn't need copying and pasting. Work on the thumnail page. Select the 'thumbs' you want and then open the Tool Palette. Any setting you make on the palette will be applied to all the selected images.

tzalman wrote in post #8865633
Work on the thumnail page. Select the 'thumbs' you want and then open the Tool Palette. Any setting you make on the palette will be applied to all the selected images.

Nice. However, in this way you can not see the histogram nor drag the borders around on it.

Unless I am missing something

Luca

LucaV wrote in post #8865769
Nice. However, in this way you can not see the histogram nor drag the borders around on it.

Unless I am missing something

Luca

Yeh, sure. You use the method just for the global setting that apply to the whole group - WB, P.S., capture sharpening - and then open them one at a time to set tonal corrections.

question about Noise reduction and sharpness with DPP. I thought I have read somewhere about the order you do things... noise reduction first, then sharpen... or whatever the order is..... but in DPP is it all done at once? or what am I missing here?

also on a side note, for posting on the net... what is the highest sharpness you use? 5-10 ?

Thanks

SteveJa wrote in post #8869623
question about Noise reduction and sharpness with DPP. I thought I have read somewhere about the order you do things... noise reduction first, then sharpen... or whatever the order is..... but in DPP is it all done at once? or what am I missing here?

also on a side note, for posting on the net... what is the highest sharpness you use? 5-10 ?

Thanks

DPP doesn't do anything to the image data until you hit 'Convert and Save'. Before that any movements of sliders on all three tabs are simply recorded in memory. When 'C and S' is done the order in which the various operations are performed is determined by the software's internal workflow and not by the order in which the sliders have been moved (or left at their default positions).

Mountain Drifter wrote in post #8858442
When I convert to Jpeg I don't do any resizing and I leave the quality slider at 10. The dpi # is at 350 which is the default setting, I'm not sure if that would make a difference (?)


After trying a few more things I keep wondering if I'm missing a step. When I open a RAW file the only thing I've changed is to set NR at zero (click apply) leaving everything else at default, including the Sharpening at 7 which is default as well. When I convert and save to Jpeg and open in the image edit window the NR sliders in the Raw box are showing default settings of Luminance 1 Chrominance 4, but these are of course not adjustable as now I'm looking at a Jpeg. Is this right?

I may be wrong on this but I believe that the sharpening setting shown on the RAW tab of the Tool palette (and being applied to the image) is not a default setting but rather is the setting that your camera was set to when the shot was taken.

As for the RAW NR sliders, I am just beginning to explore Ver 3.7.2 but it seems like DPP is now applying a different "default" NR setting depending on what ISO setting the shot was taken at (or perhaps some other variable) for shots taken with the 7D. In Ver 3.6.1 it was always set at Lum 2 & Chrom 0 to start with regardless of the camera's ISO setting. For the 7D I am getting values like Lum 3 & Chrom 7 for an ISO 800 file; L 3 & C 9 for 1250; L 4 & C 10 for 1600; L 5 & C 12 for 3200; and L 7 & C 13 for 6400.

Is there a crop tool is dpp? And also,, is there a way to set default settings? Like for NR i want to set Luminance to 3 and Chrominance to 5 as a default for all images i load up.

tester3000 wrote in post #8893479
Is there a crop tool is dpp?

Yes; free crop or using all the usual ratios.
It is not possibile to rotate the image, though.

As for the rest of your post, I believe that you can have default settings but I never tried myself and could be wrong.

Bye,
Luca

I can't seem to find the crop tool. Could you please tell me where to find it? Thanks,