plbb wrote in post #8919965
- art hanging and room distortion
OMIG, at times I didn't know what to line my pics up with thru the view-finder to keep them straight, no matter whether I lined up with a window edge, floor/wall line, picture hanging on the wall, ceiling/wall line, door frame etc, if one thing was straight the rest of the image was crooked!
That's keystoning. Nothing to be done about it, except using the lens correction filter
in PS afterward, or otherwise straighten in PS (transform).
plbb wrote in post #8919965
I used my 17-55mm, 2.8 lens at different lengths. Mistake?
best lens for the job I'd say. Maybe the 10-22 would have been nice occasionally, but then you'd really have to be careful with keystoning and distortion.
plbb wrote in post #8919965
I ended up picking one vertical straight line in a door frame or the like and straightening to that. Advice?
Either pick a vertical or horizontal line in the center of the image, and use that as a guideline. Then forget all about rulers, and just go by eye. If it looks good, it's okay
plbb wrote in post #8919965
I also found that in the small room, I was often running into heads, bodies etc in my road. I also didn't want to be in people's faces nor blocking their view. I yearned for more reach than 55mm but I also knew that my 70-200mm f/4 would not perform well in low light. Advice?
Fast prime and / or crop. Also: Being closer with a wider lens is entirely different then zooming in from a distance: First is more "involving", second is more "spectator".
plbb wrote in post #8919965
- Noise, OMIG, just awful but I expected that. Hated the work involved in post-processing even with Noise Ninja. The 50D is just awful for noise I find, I didn't go over 1600 ISO but the pics look bad and you can tell that a noise adjustment has been made, in my view.
What noise?
Seriously, ISO 1600 and probably even ISO 3200 should be just fine, provided you expose well. Unless you really want to print the images at over 8x12" 
plbb wrote in post #8919965
I noticed a newspaper fellow taking pics and talked with him afterwards - he was using a full-format camera with a 50mm lens and a hand-held light meter, no flash and photographing right up to the people he was photographing. Just FYI for your thoughts.
Maybe a bit better high ISO and a bit wider aperture. But he would also be using high ISO. Principle is the same 
plbb wrote in post #8919965
- I was able to fix the photos in post processing with WB adjustments to get the walls white, noise reduction etc. but way too much work! Hot spots were few and limited to where the track liting above the paintings struck.
If exposure is constant, you need to do all that "work" just once in the Raw converter. Then copy-paste the settings to the other shots. Any Raw converter allows this.
plbb wrote in post #8919965
- I was unprepared for all the shadows and dark corners etc - never really looked at a room before and only saw it when I looked at the pics afterwards - this has to be good learning for me!
Hahaha. Know that feeling.
Yeah, but with different colored light sources, they likely won't all be white in the images 
Then again: It can add a certain "mood".
plbb wrote in post #8919965
Choosing which photos to ask you to look at was tough but I'll start with these. They are all RAW and out of the camera with no post-processing yet.
Not too bad. Mixed lighting for sure, but I don't mind a bit of a color cast on the walls.
I think I'd try to get the paintings close to 'neutral', as long as the cast on the walls doesn't go overboard.
Bit on the dark side in the shadows, but well exposed for the highlights.
You might get away with a bit longer exposure and recovery in the raw converter, but that's pretty raw converter and camera specific... It would help a bit for the noise in the dark parts, but you run the risk of blowing highlights.
plbb wrote in post #8919965
I went to the gallery before the sun went down to photo the room and each mural. There are two large windows in the front plus the lighting you see in the images so I did not use the flash. Definitely the way to go.
Bit high contrast though. Fill flash would help there. (Mainly in the first)
plbb wrote in post #8919965
However, once the show started and night fell I resorted to the flash. I tried different things throughout the evening but found out quickly I needed more study with using my flash; I really wasn't making changes based on any reasoning and just confused myself. I used manual settings for my camera and left the flash on ETTL, I assume it acted as fill, as I don't see harsh shadows.
Worked quite okay, and is the way I usually work. Here's a good link on flash photography done right: http://planetneil.com …h-photography-techniques/
These images are way easier to work with exposure, white balance and noise wise I'd think... Only "problem is the color cast from blue to yellow from closer to further in the scene, because you didn't gel your flash. So more flash = more blue 
Bouncing would have helped a bit. It would have prevented the shadow behind the guy in the last image.
plbb wrote in post #8919965
** My main question is, is this the best I can expect in low light, or can I improve on what I did?
You did pretty well I think.
Bouncing the flash (something like a 430EX2 or so) would have helped a bit.
First images are perfectly usable as well, but will require a bit more work in the Raw converter / PS. But even the differences between daylight and tungsten lighting can be lessened quite well in these. (Localised adjustment in Lightroom or Photoshop)
plbb wrote in post #8919965
- I'd love to know what you would say about the light available in this room and working with it, your thoughts and suggestions. I do have opportunity to go back and try again as the art is still there and I do have access to the premises.
First image is the most difficult location I think: Ton of daylight on one wall, almost nothing on the other, and the paintings are unevenly lit.
Bounce the flash behind you if you can. If there are no people in the shots (or even if there are, some moving people can be nice!) a long exposure with the camera on a tripod might be nice, and it will allow you to use a lower ISO as well.
plbb wrote in post #8919965
I did like taking the pictures and plan to go back and try again... it was indeed a good learning experience if you can take the failure & humiliation!
No humiliation in getting better IMO 
I'd use higher ISO for sure.
Images I posted are ISO 1600 or 3200 on a Mk3...
I can post a 100% crop or mail you a full res if you're curious.
Then again, this is high ISO on a 1D2. Fine by me & prints fine with a bit of PP:
ISO1600, underexposed
ISO3200