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Oct 16, 2009 21:29 |  #1

Do you think it will work?? I use a 70-200 and would love to have a way to get some fill flash when shooting from far a way. Remote flash wouldn't work on this in shutter speeds so I was thinking the better beamer might do the trick? or does it have to be a smaller object?

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Oct 16, 2009 21:55 |  #2

The drivers might get a tad annoyed if you aimed a flash at them


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Oct 16, 2009 22:07 |  #3

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The drivers might get a tad annoyed if you aimed a flash at them

Is the difference between using the flash with or without the beamer makes such a differences even at full day light?


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Oct 17, 2009 00:19 as a reply to  @ matikrimerman's post |  #4

Your hotshoe flash isn't powerful enough to do any kind of long distance
in full sunlight.


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Oct 17, 2009 08:50 |  #5

I never thought of using the Better Beamer for motorsports. It might be useful. I suppose it would depend on how far you are from the vehicle and what kind of motorsport you are shooting. I don't know of any way to tell without trying it. I don't own a Better Beamer, so I don't have any idea how tightly it focuses the light and I can't experiment. My wife's boss uses one for bird photography. Maybe he would let me take it for a test drive some time. Maybe you know someone that would let you take theirs for a quick spin, so to speak.




  
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Oct 17, 2009 09:01 |  #6

matikrimerman wrote in post #8837756 (external link)
Is the difference between using the flash with or without the beamer makes such a differences even at full day light?

I use it for birds. With better beamer you get about two stops more...


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Oct 17, 2009 10:32 |  #7

Jim M wrote in post #8839354 (external link)
I never thought of using the Better Beamer for motorsports. It might be useful. I suppose it would depend on how far you are from the vehicle and what kind of motorsport you are shooting. I don't know of any way to tell without trying it. I don't own a Better Beamer, so I don't have any idea how tightly it focuses the light and I can't experiment. My wife's boss uses one for bird photography. Maybe he would let me take it for a test drive some time. Maybe you know someone that would let you take theirs for a quick spin, so to speak.

I'm going to shoot dirtbikes with it. I would love to have the rider's eyes better lighted. I'm just wondering now if it wouldn't distract them too much


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Oct 17, 2009 10:54 |  #8

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I use it for birds. With better beamer you get about two stops more...

What kind of distance are you from the birds?
Are you in full sunlight?
I use one for night sports and it works great.


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Oct 18, 2009 03:53 |  #9

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What kind of distance are you from the birds?
Are you in full sunlight?
I use one for night sports and it works great.

In the full sunlight it could work as a fill, lets say up to 10 meters, but this depend also from your aparture and fec for example.


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Oct 18, 2009 10:10 as a reply to  @ Mil's post |  #10

I like it for animals...

The Better beamer works well with longer lenses (at least 200mm on a 1.6x camera) and will provide about two stops of extra light.

When shooting animals; even when the distance from camera to subject is too long to provide and meaningful fill light for the general subject, the Better Beamer does provide interesting catch lights in their eyes.

I am wondering it this ability to provide catch lights would cause reflections in the drivers windshields. However, I don't think that during a bright day, that the flash would disturb the drivers.


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Oct 18, 2009 16:21 |  #11

I am told by race drivers that if a flash distracts you, you aren't concentrating on what you're doing.




  
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Oct 19, 2009 07:48 |  #12

Jim M wrote in post #8846093 (external link)
I am told by race drivers that if a flash distracts you, you aren't concentrating on what you're doing.

Good. I ordered one from B&H and I hope to try it out this weekend in a motocross race.

Thanks guys

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Oct 20, 2009 10:48 |  #13

matikrimerman wrote in post #8849912 (external link)
Good. I ordered one from B&H and I hope to try it out this weekend in a motocross race.

Thanks guys

Mati

Please report and post some photos.


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Oct 20, 2009 23:17 |  #14

looking forward to some motorsport shots.. please post your settings too so we can see how the better beamer worked with them. Thanks!


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Nov 16, 2009 07:59 as a reply to  @ fiveFPS's post |  #15

i'm sorry iot took me so long but I didn't have the time to shoot too much with the beamer.

I toook it to a race yeasterday and did the following test

shooting at 200mm (on a my 20D) with regular 580 flash
then shooting from the same spot with the beamer followed by no flash using at all.

the setting was far from ideal since there was a lot of dust and you can't really repeat a test with 2 different moving subjects but it was enough to convince 0me.

IMAGE: http://www.matikrimerman.com/motorsport/beamertest/yes2.jpg
IMAGE: http://www.matikrimerman.com/motorsport/beamertest/no2.jpg


IMAGE: http://www.matikrimerman.com/motorsport/beamertest/beamer1.jpg
IMAGE: http://www.matikrimerman.com/motorsport/beamertest/no1.jpg

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IMAGE: http://www.matikrimerman.com/motorsport/beamertest/beamer2.jpg

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