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1D MK IV vs. D3s - Final Showdown!

 
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Oct 20, 2009 23:13 |  #1

Canon 1D MK IV - $4999

Specs:
10fps
1080P 24/30 fps
720P 60 fps
45 Point AF – 39 cross
ISO 100 - 12800 (ISO 50 - 102,400 in Boost mode)
self cleaning sensor
100% Viewfinder
16.1 APS-H MP
3″ LCD
63 zone metering

Nikon D3s - $5199

Specs:

  • New 12.1 megapixel Full-Frame (36 x 24 mm) sensor
  • ISO 200 - 12800 (ISO 100 - 102,400 in Boost mode)
  • 720p / 24 fps HD movie mode
  • 11fps in 1.6crop mode or 9fps in FF mode
  • Multi-CAM3500FX Auto Focus sensor (51-point, 15 cross-type, more vertical coverage), fine-tuned for improved acquisition and tracking
  • In-camera RAW processing
  • Nikon EXPEED image processor
  • Super fast operation (power-up 12 ms, shutter lag 41 ms, black-out 74 ms)
  • Kevlar / carbon fibre composite shutter with 300,000 exposure durability
  • Auto-focus tracking by color (using information from 1005-pixel AE sensor)
  • Auto-focus calibration (fine-tuning) available (fixed body or up to 20 separate lens settings)
  • Dual Compact Flash card slots (overflow, back-up, RAW on 1 / JPEG on 2, Stills on 1 / Movies on 2, copy)
  • Compact Flash UDMA support
  • 3.0" 922,000 pixel LCD monitor
  • Live View with either phase detect (mirror up/down) or improved (30% faster) contrast detect Auto Focus
  • Virtual horizon indicates if camera is level, available on the LCD during video capture
  • 'Active D-Lighting' 'Extra High' setting (adjusts metering as well as applying D-Lighting curve)
  • Detailed 'Control Panel' type display on LCD monitor, changes color in darkness
  • Buttons sealed against moisture
  • Dual battery charger as standard


I know specs only tell half the story but spill your guts here.
What do you like about each camera? what don't you like about them?
What can you live without and what you can't? Are both Nikon and Canon just releasing half-grader products and charge 50% more $$ for them?

Its the ultimate showdown guys!! be nice and respectful. I mean, we are all civilized people and can discuss different manufacturer's work with respect to each others opinions. Also remember to back up your statements if you are going to say that one product is inferior to another in a significant way.

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Oct 20, 2009 23:21 |  #2

Mastamarek wrote in post #8863064 (external link)
Canon 1D MK IV - $4999

Specs:
ISO 200 - 12800 (ISO 100 - 102,400 in Boost mode)

Pretty sure the 1D MK IV has ISO 100-12800 as base, and ISO 50-102,400 as boost mode.

Doesn't really matter to me really as I won't be purchasing either of them. But I'm quite disappointed with the 7D VS 1D MK IV. Really wish Canon put some of the gadgets in the 7D into the new 1D. It IS their flagship model.. :confused: Sort of like how the 1D3 had all the bells and whistles of its era during its initial launch.


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Oct 20, 2009 23:22 |  #3

k.lee wrote in post #8863113 (external link)
Pretty sure the 1D MK IV has ISO 100-12800 as base, and ISO 50-102,400 as boost mode.

fixed that. lol. that was a lot of typing.


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Oct 20, 2009 23:43 |  #4

k.lee wrote in post #8863113 (external link)
Pretty sure the 1D MK IV has ISO 100-12800 as base, and ISO 50-102,400 as boost mode.

Doesn't really matter to me really as I won't be purchasing either of them. But I'm quite disappointed with the 7D VS 1D MK IV. Really wish Canon put some of the gadgets in the 7D into the new 1D. It IS their flagship model.. :confused: Sort of like how the 1D3 had all the bells and whistles of its era during its initial launch.

Might just be a contributing factor to their lack of design QC. Too many gizmos and new stuff, one breaks and all hell breaks loose, the camera locks up or can't perform well, and boomz.


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Oct 21, 2009 00:04 |  #5

Id be really curious to see the true quality of an image shot at 102k iso. sure you can crank the gain up further and further on the sensor, but unless its good, then who really cares, Id rather plan ahead, or light it properly, or not shoot it at all rather than crank the iso up, that stratosphere is usually for emergencies or when I really dont give a ****


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Oct 21, 2009 00:11 |  #6

Interesting.... Nikon still is unable to get native ISO 100.....


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Oct 21, 2009 00:20 |  #7

Nervous wrote in post #8863417 (external link)
Interesting.... Nikon still is unable to get native ISO 100.....

Go ask Daniel Browning what he thinks of some of Canon's "Native" ISO 100 files :D


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Oct 21, 2009 01:36 |  #8

mikeassk wrote in post #8863469 (external link)
Go ask Daniel Browning what he thinks of some of Canon's "Native" ISO 100 files :D

The whole "pattern noise" thing was only in non-1 series bodies, ie. 5D.

I tend to agree with Headshotzx here – they cut some of the frivolous bells and whistles (only ones I can think of are LCD viewfinder, the digital level, + extra button for customization) to reduce the chance that some of those components malfunctioning.

Despite the cool-factor of the live LCD in the viewfinder with the 7D, it also seems to prevent (for Canon at least) the ability to easily change focusing screens; an LCD can give you grid lines, sure, but it cannot give you a high-precision matte screen for your ultra-fast manual focus lenses. The digital level – I don't think it does 3-axis, so I'd be keeping my hotshoe mounted level anyways. But the extra buttons for customization, I agree those would have been nice to have.

The new 63-zone 7D metering hasn't been shown to be better or equivalent to the existing 1D metering, so not sure why so many people are up in arms about that. I've never heard any complaints regarding the Nikon metering system vs. Canon either, so again I think it's more a case of people thinking that the grass is greener on the other side, although it is actually just a different shade of green, and no better tasting.


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Oct 21, 2009 02:21 |  #9

On paper, the 1D4 definitely beats the D3s. Higher resolution, faster FPS, better video, better AF (nearly 2x more cross type sensors), better liveview, wider ISO range and price. Only time will tell how ISO is on both cameras, and AF. Although head to head AF was very close with the 1D3 and D3, and since the 1D4 has a whole new AF, and the D3s is using the same AF as the D3, I suspect the 1D4 will have a slight edge.

As for metering,every head to head review I've read with the 1D3 and D3 metering called it a draw despite the fact the 1D3 had no color based metering that the D3 (and 7D) have. In fact the 1D3 metering is pretty fantastic, a step up from the 1D2 I used for 2 years prior to buying the 1D3. So I suspect the 1DIV metering will be at least as good as the D3s'.

Sheawyatt, you seem to be correct about the viewfinder overlay, and I for one will take interchangeable focus screens over viewfinder overlays any day.

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Interesting.... Nikon still is unable to get native ISO 100.....

Not only is having native ISO 100 a plus, having the ability to go to ISO 50 is another plus, and I use it all the time. And there is no pattern noise on the 1D3 at ISO 100 or ISO 50, even when pushed aggressively in real world use. AFAIK that's only the case with the 5Dii (and maybe some other non 1 Series cams) under certain circumstances.


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You missed a crucial point for a lot of people - a FF sensor.


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Oct 21, 2009 05:30 as a reply to  @ radiohead's post |  #11

Orientation linked AF is something only 1D mk4 has. It can optionally be configured so that the active AF point automatically switches when the camera pivots from horizontal to vertical, or vice versa.

Think this feature is really useful. Less pictures missed while changing AF point.




  
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Oct 21, 2009 05:33 |  #12

drisley wrote in post #8863845 (external link)
I for one will take interchangeable focus screens over viewfinder overlays any day.

Why should we have to choose? Nikon folks don't have to.


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Oct 21, 2009 06:24 |  #13

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Orientation linked AF is something only 1D mk4 has. It can optionally be configured so that the active AF point automatically switches when the camera pivots from horizontal to vertical, or vice versa.

That feature, and the ability to select more than 19 points, has my attention... For sports, where it is best to keep a focus point on the players upper chest, that would be very useful. With the MK3, I just switch between a selected point and a registered point by pressing the joy stick when going from landscape to portrait. In the heat of the moment, I sometimes fumble it but the camera is still new to me.


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Oct 21, 2009 06:34 |  #14

sheawyatt wrote in post #8863730 (external link)
The whole "pattern noise" thing was only in non-1 series bodies, ie. 5D.

I don't think that is the point about base ISOs, Daniel and others have shown that even though Canon's camera X boasts a base ISO of say, 6400, it really has a base of 1600 with some other things going on under the covers. It probably is safe to assume the 1DIV will have the same type of thing going on. Native 12800, but its true ISO base is probably lower.


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Oct 21, 2009 06:49 |  #15

D3s. No questions.


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