Rant about NBA photography policy.

I actually called the Nets to confirm what was allowed and was told as long its not an obnoxious lens im fine, they just don't allow back packs

Croasdail wrote in post #8971472
The wides you can stop down more because they gather more reflected light than a tele....and of course aren't as shutter speed critical.

f/2.8 is f/2.8 is f/2.8. A wide lens does not mean f/4 gathers as much light as f/2.8, 1/400th at f/2.8 on a 200mm is the exact same exposure at 1/400th at f/2.8 on a 24mm.

Do a test your hand held light meter. First do a spot meter. Then go to ambient. See if you get the same reading. I am willing to put dollars on it, you will not. Its the same thing as what is happening when you go from tele to wide. They are not seeing the same thing.

The field of view for a 200 is much different than a 24. Particularly on basketball courts, the wider you get, the more refracted light off the floor and other sources you gain. It also helps control flair from overhead lights.

Just my experience... it works for me.

MJPhotos24 wrote in post #8955599
It depends on the stadium/arena and your attack on the NBA as a league makes you just sound like a whiner. You might as well get used to photo policy restrictions because I do believe with technology getting better and more and more people trying to sell unlicensed photos from games they will get stricter. They're trying to protect their rights since it's their event and their rules, you're paying for the privilege to watch their game, so in short - nothing you can do, get over it.

Their rights their event their rules privilege,hog wash, If you the fan did'nt
buy the ticket no event would go on.

butugly wrote in post #9023470
Their rights their event their rules privilege,hog wash, If you the fan did'nt
buy the ticket no event would go on.

But the fans do buy the tickets, and the vast majority of them follow the rules.

Exactly you buy the ticket to see the game its not a privilege to see the game,its not their event they only put the event on, their rules hogwash soon the rules will state you cant cheer your team as that would discriminate against the other team.
They wont loose any significant income from people taking their own photos.

butugly wrote in post #9023631
Exactly you buy the ticket to see the game its not a privilege to see the game,its not their event they only put the event on, their rules hogwash soon the rules will state you cant cheer your team as that would discriminate against the other team.
They wont loose any significant income from people taking their own photos.

It is their event, they pay out the cash to put it on...fair enough, they make a profit, but it's their event.

You buy a ticket and agree to abide by their terms and conditions. If those T&Cs say "no photography" then you either abide by it, or face the consequences.

End of story.

Don't like it? Don't go.

You're probably right, they wouldnt lose significant income, but...there's always one person who spoils the party...

BTW, my parents live in Billericay...always good to see another essex-er!

But the T&Cs discriminate between different types of camera not right surely.they may put the event on but if it were not for the paying puplic/photographer they would'nt have an event to put on,nice to know i'm not hte only one from essex hiya.

Croasdail wrote in post #9023392
Do a test your hand held light meter. First do a spot meter. Then go to ambient. See if you get the same reading. I am willing to put dollars on it, you will not. Its the same thing as what is happening when you go from tele to wide. They are not seeing the same thing.

The field of view for a 200 is much different than a 24. Particularly on basketball courts, the wider you get, the more refracted light off the floor and other sources you gain. It also helps control flair from overhead lights.

Just my experience... it works for me.

I probably won't get the same reading, you're right. The camera meter is getting fooled. The light on the player is exactly the same, regardless of field of view. Switching to a 200mm lens does not stop the light from bouncing off the floor onto the player, it just means it's not bouncing to the camera and confusing the meter. I regularly shoot with the exact same settings on my 24-70 and 70-200, and (no surprise, except maybe to you) get pictures that are exposed exactly the same. 1/800th, f/2.8, ISO 3200 is always the exact same exposure, regardless of lens used. Get used to shooting manual and you'll realize that.

butugly wrote in post #9023470
Their rights their event their rules privilege,hog wash, If you the fan did'nt
buy the ticket no event would go on.

Too bad 99.9% of the fans go for the event and not taking photos - just because you buy a ticket doesn't mean you get it your way - tough crap and don't go if you don't like it.

butugly wrote in post #9023470
Their rights their event their rules privilege,hog wash, If you the fan did'nt
buy the ticket no event would go on.

Not True...

TV Rights Money accounts for quite a bit of pro team revenue.

JHunter wrote in post #9025153
I probably won't get the same reading, you're right. The camera meter is getting fooled. The light on the player is exactly the same, regardless of field of view. Switching to a 200mm lens does not stop the light from bouncing off the floor onto the player, it just means it's not bouncing to the camera and confusing the meter. I regularly shoot with the exact same settings on my 24-70 and 70-200, and (no surprise, except maybe to you) get pictures that are exposed exactly the same. 1/800th, f/2.8, ISO 3200 is always the exact same exposure, regardless of lens used. Get used to shooting manual and you'll realize that.

Amigo, I have been shooting NCAA and Pro sports now for over 28 years.... I would love for you to teach me what I am doing wrong. True the exposure is the same, but the FOV isn't, and hence the light that is being reflected back isn't. Anyway....

Croasdail wrote in post #9027555
Amigo, I have been shooting NCAA and Pro sports now for over 28 years.... I would love for you to teach me what I am doing wrong.

If the light is constant across the court changing lenses is not going to change the exposure on the court. Your meter can be effected by different colors because those color reflect light differently but you shouldn't change your cameras exposure. You could walk down on the court before the game and take an incident meter reading and as long as that light doesn't change, that should be correct exposure no mater what lens or camera you are shooting with if the lenses and the cameras are working correctly. Things like color and different type of reflectance off surfaces can effect your meter thus giving incorrect readings.

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #9026851
Not True...

TV Rights Money accounts for quite a bit of pro team revenue.

You're so right. Most terams only make a small amount on ticket sales when compared to the $$$ they make from TV.

Croasdail wrote in post #9023392
Do a test your hand held light meter. First do a spot meter. Then go to ambient. See if you get the same reading. I am willing to put dollars on it, you will not. Its the same thing as what is happening when you go from tele to wide. They are not seeing the same thing.

The field of view for a 200 is much different than a 24. Particularly on basketball courts, the wider you get, the more refracted light off the floor and other sources you gain. It also helps control flair from overhead lights.

Just my experience... it works for me.

Yes the FoV is different but unless someone has changed the light, the light remains constant thus if the correct exposure is say f/8 at 1/1000 of a sec then no mater what lens that is going to remain constant.