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Nov 16, 2009 21:08 |  #46

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If the light is constant across the court changing lenses is not going to change the exposure on the court. Your meter can be effected by different colors because those color reflect light differently but you shouldn't change your cameras exposure. You could walk down on the court before the game and take an incident meter reading and as long as that light doesn't change, that should be correct exposure no mater what lens or camera you are shooting with if the lenses and the cameras are working correctly. Things like color and different type of reflectance off surfaces can effect your meter thus giving incorrect readings.

The best measure is off the floor completely agreed. One thing that directly impacts exposure are the painted areas on the floor - the key and the usually painted logo area in the center. You usually see this in the shadowed areas getting deeper in and around the key.

But you also have the effect of the overhead lights. When you use a very tight shot, you are getting little impact from the overhead lights. But in arenas like the Old NC State with a wide angle - or others that particularly use rim lighting, you start picking up direct light - not just reflected off the subject. The impact to the photo varies. But what you typically end up with is you don't deal with it is usually blown highlights or deep shadows. Unfortunately the price is loss of contrast. But that is a lot easier to fix now days in photoshop rather than like in the old days applying contrast filters.

Anyway, photography is 1 part science, 1 part emotion, and 1 part experience. The science part of it makes people feel comfortable - much of the reason I gravitated to the photojournalism side of things. But experience is what helps us when what should work right logically, doesn't. Experience is also what tells us how to shoot into the light when the light meter tells us something different. T-stops were invented because f-stops aren't always right. Anyway.... enough on this. Cheers.




  
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Dec 31, 2009 12:38 as a reply to  @ Croasdail's post |  #47

Any suggestions 2nd row courtside at staples. FF with a 50 1.4 or a 85 1.8? Anyone think the 85 will be too long?


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Dec 31, 2009 12:52 |  #48

85 if you're full frame. I shoot on the court for the Heat and generally don't go wider than 70mm. 2nd or 3rd row you'll want at least 70mm, otherwise you're gonna get some of the action and a lot of people's heads. 1/1000" shutter is pretty much a requirement for that type of action. Try to push it higher if you can, even if you have to push the ISO a bit. I shoot 6400, 1/1000", f/3.5.

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Here, so you can see what I mean - 70 is pretty much perfect framing from courtside, so a bit further back 85 should be perfect.

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Dec 31, 2009 14:20 |  #49

MJPhotos24 wrote in post #9026819 (external link)
Too bad 99.9% of the fans go for the event and not taking photos - just because you buy a ticket doesn't mean you get it your way - tough crap and don't go if you don't like it.

Exactly, no DSLR type rules piss off so few fans (relatively speaking) that there isn't really an economic downside to doing so from a venue/team etcs POV.




  
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Jan 08, 2010 01:26 |  #50

[QUOTE=Thalagyrt;92972​03]85 if you're full frame. I shoot on the court for the Heat and generally don't go wider than 70mm. 2nd or 3rd row you'll want at least 70mm, otherwise you're gonna get some of the action and a lot of people's heads. 1/1000" shutter is pretty much a requirement for that type of action. Try to push it higher if you can, even if you have to push the ISO a bit. I shoot 6400, 1/1000", f/3.5.


Thanks heres the outcome
Here are some pics from the Lakers / Clippers game the other night. Sorry for the yellow blob some big head kept getting in my way

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Jan 08, 2010 18:14 |  #51

I always get in with my gear. NFL, MLB, NHL... Oh, it might have to do with the media cred. hanging around my neck. Network TV cred that is. The only place a still camera can not be taken into is the locker room. For a couple of Colorado Rockies games I've left my stuff with the guy outside the door. He's a long timer there and totally trustworthy. He keeps an eye on it for me as we go in to get post game interviews. Other stadiums I just pack it all in a very inconspicous back pack and no one ever asks. I just don't take it out in the locker room. That would be icky!

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Jan 08, 2010 18:29 |  #52

ChasWG wrote in post #9354723 (external link)
I always get in with my gear.

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Yet another reason I'm tired of being a tape guy. We never get to have any fun... :(


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Jan 13, 2010 14:08 |  #53

So, I'm going to the Denver Nuggets play the Orlando Magic tonight at the Pepsi Center. After reading all of this, again, I thought I just might looked up the Pepsi Center online and read their Fan Rules A to Z and this is what it says:

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Fans are welcome to bring personal cameras into Pepsi Center, however, video cameras are not allowed. Flash photography, monopods and tripods are not permitted in the seating bowl. Generally, cameras and audio recording devices are not permitted at concerts and other events. For camera policies concerning a specific event please contact Guest Relations for more information.


I even called them to verify this was correct info. The lady that answered the phone was polite and said it was just fine. Then I asked about the lens issue. She said any lens was just fine. I'm pretty sure that if I was to drag a 400 f2.8 in I would get asked a few interesting questions. But my 70-200 L shouldn't raise too many eyebrows. She also said that the Pepsi Center just recently reviewed the "No Cameras" policy and changed it to the more, "Whatever Goes" policy.

Yea Me! I'll post some of the images up tomorrow. Go Melo!


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Jan 13, 2010 14:09 |  #54

FlyingPhotog wrote in post #9354788 (external link)
Yet another reason I'm tired of being a tape guy. We never get to have any fun... :(

"Tape guy?" As in theTV truck tape guy?
And don't talk to me about not having any fun. I see your images, you have plenty of fun bub! ;)

As for the field access, I could even go and get a real photo vest at the Bronco games and sit along the sidelines andshoot most of the game. What we do for NFL Network we never have to shoot the game. Just Pre and Post stuff. Otherwise I'm sitting in the press box eating and watching football. Yea, it's a tough life, but someone has to do it. :D


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Jan 13, 2010 14:24 |  #55

ChasWG wrote in post #9386336 (external link)
"Tape guy?" As in theTV truck tape guy?

Yepper... 20+ year veteran freelancer.

And don't talk to me about not having any fun. I see your images, you have plenty of fun bub! ;)

You'll notice though that 95% of what I show from "work" isn't people working. It's always during a break or before we're on the air for the day. I'd love to actually document an entire show from parking the trucks to the trucks rolling off to the next city but it's hard to shoot pics when you're one of the people striking cable.

As for the field access, I could even go and get a real photo vest at the Bronco games and sit along the sidelines andshoot most of the game. What we do for NFL Network we never have to shoot the game. Just Pre and Post stuff. Otherwise I'm sitting in the press box eating and watching football. Yea, it's a tough life, but someone has to do it. :D

The growth of the "Host League Networks" is crazy but it sure makes for plenty of work to go around.


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Jan 13, 2010 17:50 |  #56

Wow Jay, I didn't know that's what you did for a living. Cool! You guys on th trucks work way too hard. A the beginning and again at the end. I guess strick is always easier. Except maybe dealing with broken bits and pieces. But for the most part, it's the cables that kill me with that job. I hate it!


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Jan 14, 2010 01:22 |  #57

ChasWG wrote in post #9387736 (external link)
Wow Jay, I didn't know that's what you did for a living. Cool! You guys on th trucks work way too hard. A the beginning and again at the end. I guess strick is always easier. Except maybe dealing with broken bits and pieces. But for the most part, it's the cables that kill me with that job. I hate it!

If you haven't seen it already, I have made an effort to document my activities over the last few seasons over HERE (external link) on PBase.


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Jan 14, 2010 11:44 |  #58

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If you haven't seen it already, I have made an effort to document my activities over the last few seasons over HERE (external link) on PBase.

Those are some great shots Jay. Nice coverage of your life while working. I love the portrait style you took with alot of those.

"This is not a Sports Bar, it's a multi-million dollar Television facility. Please treat as such."

LMAO! I have seen the same sign many times while working near or around the trucks! I try to stay away from them as they are expensive and there are more wires than I would care to try and re-hook if I were to trip over something. :lol:


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Jan 14, 2010 12:08 |  #59

So, back to the topic. I went to the game last night and as stated, I was allowed to enter with my camera and any lens. Well they didn't even check my back-pack. I came in with my son through the will call ticket PU entrance. I just walked right in. Cool and scary all at the same time. Hmmmm...
Anyhow, here are a few of the images I got last night. I didn't try too hard as I was having a fun time with my son and the Nuggets were beating up on the Magic pretty well.

Here's one shot to say, "go look at the rest in the picture sharing section before Biff gets in here and rolls his eyes at me." :rolleyes:

The Nuggets Dancers, yeah, that says Basketball!

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Jan 14, 2010 12:21 as a reply to  @ ChasWG's post |  #60

I think the funniest thing about this shot is/are all the male legs in the background.


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