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Nov 12, 2009 07:36 |  #1

Ok, I know there is a simple reason for this but my frustrated mind won't let me figure it out...went to a family wedding last Sat. and thought here's a good opportunity for me to practice a little with inside and flash shooting, which is the worst of my diminutive skills. I got a few nice shots from my seat, and could readily see how my new 580EXII flash :D helped make a better photo. What kept getting me frustrated is I couldn't get the shutter speed to cooperate when the wedding party members were walking towards (or away from) me down the aisle. I was shooting mostly in AV mode, tried various ISOs and apertures but kept missing focused shots because they were too blurry from slow shutter speed (I say slow, it would be say 1/60 when I wanted much faster). I understand how the photographic triangle (aperture, shutter speed, ISO) affect each other---no I guess I should say I understand that they DO affect each other, but it seems to elude me while shooting what needs to be changed to get what I want. Maybe it was the AF mode I was in? Maybe I was in AI Focus and it needed to be AI Servo? I know it's hard to address this without photos to look at, but my laptop with all the photos is being worked on right now, so I'm trying to write all this from memory. I was really trying to concentrate on using my AF points bc getting eyes in focus is something I am working on, and unless I totally misunderstand the AF modes (entirely possible!) AI Servo will change the focus points as the subject moves, so I assume I had it in AI Focus...I was trying various apertures, I think mostly around 5.6-9...also tried various ISOs 400 mostly I think....I can hopefully answer any questions that would help narrow this down when I get my laptop back, but any educated guesses out there?


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Nov 12, 2009 07:47 |  #2

Av mode tries to expose the scene properly and uses flash for fill. Don't use it for flash pictures unless you are deliberately trying to create specific effects.

Shoot Manual. Set the shutter speed to something appropriate (slower than sync speed and fast enough to stop action like 1/125 or so) then set the aperture to give you proper DOF. Let the flash expose it properly. You can vary the shutter speed and aperture to give more or less ambient exposure as you wish, and as you are able to according to the light available.




  
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Nov 12, 2009 08:01 |  #3

Exactly what rral22 said. The other thing I would have done in the case of the bridal party coming up the aisle would be to set the camera to AI Servo mode, assign the focus to the back (*) button and keep it depressed while shooting. Just like in sports, if the action is 'moving' constant focus is required.

After using your flash for awhile, you'll probably settle on a 'go-to' setting. For me, it's manual mode; 1/200 shutter, f/5.6 and flash (mine is 430EX II) in ETTL mode. To balance ambient to flash, I use the +/- on the 430 to adjust. These settings usually allow for good, tack-sharp shots when it's aim and shoot at something happening.

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Nov 12, 2009 08:03 |  #4

Good question.

Rral22, are you saying that the best mode for those flash is to use Manual mode rather than Av or Tv? Is this only in night/low light shooting, or just a rule of thumb for all conditions? Thanks


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Nov 12, 2009 08:30 as a reply to  @ wonderland50D's post |  #5

Just quickly read over the posts while getting ready for work and wanted to say thanks so much (!!) and I will PORE over these later and see if I can understand it all. If not, prepare fo rmore questions! ;)


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Nov 12, 2009 08:54 |  #6

If i don't want to take chances on having blurry pictures I usually choose Tv mode


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Nov 12, 2009 08:55 |  #7

AI Servo will change the focus points as the subject moves,

Does it really do that?
On my 20D, I tell it which focus point to use & choose it with the joystick. Look in the Custom Functions menu.


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Nov 12, 2009 09:20 |  #8

AI Servo will change the focus points as the subject moves,

Does it really do that?

Yes, in theory if Auto Point Selection is selected AI-Servo will focus first with the center point and then hand off focus to other points as the subject moves onto them. The theory becomes practice more often with the 1DIII than with the 40/50D.


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Nov 12, 2009 10:29 |  #9

tzalman wrote in post #9001855 (external link)
Yes, in theory if Auto Point Selection is selected AI-Servo will focus first with the center point and then hand off focus to other points as the subject moves onto them. The theory becomes practice more often with the 1DIII than with the 40/50D.

The problem with Auto point selection is that you may not find that it is the focus point you wanted that ends up being used. Hence i would never use it. I prefer tracking the subject with my chosen point.

As for the OP, M for flash always unless im using it solely as fill. And adjust the flash amount with FEC to suit taste.

Emmarose - in this situation it would give a similar effect with the flash - the exposure is decided by the camera based on ambient light and not flash. To use flash as the primary source requires using M


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Nov 12, 2009 10:55 |  #10

FYI, some tips on flash photography, and why "Manual" isn't really "Manual":
http://pricelessimages​.net/tips/flash.html (external link)


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Nov 12, 2009 13:44 |  #11

Hi Chell - what you describe is faced by a lot of folks, and can be solved with a minimum of pain and discomfort. Check out this similar thread:

https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=777491

A lot of similar solutions are mentioned there with some very useful tips. I use Manual for much of my wedding work, and you may find post #23 helpful.


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Nov 12, 2009 14:04 |  #12

Better yet Chell, following is an example of what I mean.

Some folks use AI-Servo; I like one-shot AF using the CENTER AF point. I get more keepers that way with my shooting style. With the camera on manual settings and the 580ex set to AUTO-ETTL, I will track the subject as he/she comes down the aisle, repeatedly lightly tapping the shutter button to "update" my focus point, until the moment when I actually depress it all the way to take the picture.

This following shot was done with direct flash pointing forward, in a not very bright church, ISO 800, 1/40 sec @ f/5.6. The flash pretty much froze the action, but there is a very slight blurring on the boy's hand due to the ambient light causing it at that slow shutter speed:

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Nov 12, 2009 14:44 |  #13

timbop wrote in post #9002325 (external link)
FYI, some tips on flash photography, and why "Manual" isn't really "Manual":
http://pricelessimages​.net/tips/flash.html (external link)

This link is a winner! It took me way too long to either figure some of this stuff out, or have it taught to me.


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Nov 12, 2009 14:48 |  #14

bjyoder wrote in post #9003497 (external link)
This link is a winner! It took me way too long to either figure some of this stuff out, or have it taught to me.

Thanks!


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Nov 13, 2009 10:46 |  #15

snyderman wrote in post #9001543 (external link)
Exactly what rral22 said. The other thing I would have done in the case of the bridal party coming up the aisle would be to set the camera to AI Servo mode, assign the focus to the back (*) button and keep it depressed while shooting. Just like in sports, if the action is 'moving' constant focus is required.

After using your flash for awhile, you'll probably settle on a 'go-to' setting. For me, it's manual mode; 1/200 shutter, f/5.6 and flash (mine is 430EX II) in ETTL mode. To balance ambient to flash, I use the +/- on the 430 to adjust. These settings usually allow for good, tack-sharp shots when it's aim and shoot at something happening.

dave

What is meant by assigning focus to the "back" button? You mean the AF point at the top?


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