New wireless TTL product!

TMR Design wrote in post #9057106
I'll get real excited about this product when I see some real world testing and reviews.

Indeed. Pocketwizards TTL products had such horrible range issues at release that you could hardly make the case that they delivered the product they promised. And the Radiopopper PX system took longer to come to market then the Chevy Volt.

seanzky wrote in post #9057190
I can't imagine these products failing if they (the Chinese manufacturers) already have remote trigger down pat. Reverse engineering and understanding the e-TTL algorithms doesn't take a whole lot especially after YongNuo has already released a TTL Nikon flash and has told me that their Canon version is on the way. There is no doubt in my mind that the Chinese manufacturers involved in producing knock offs of popular triggers, though branded differently, do share wiring diagrams and even molds. If there was ever a price for the not-so-secret recipes, I'm sure it's dirt cheap over there.

Now, I'm not surprised this came out. I knew this would eventually follow after radio frequency transmitters/receivers came out... but literally less than a week after I got my RF-602s?! ****!

Chinese manufacturers don't share crap with each other. Most likely, this type of stuff comes out of a single factory with multiple agents calling on customers. They won't share tools, because the profit margins are ridiculous. Tooling for a set of triggers probably ran the "brand" selling these pieces $30 - $40 grand US, but required about $200 in supplies and $1000 in labor.

They will, however, steal from each other. At our principal factory, thumb drives and laptops are not allowed in engineering -- not that it means much. If someone wants your cad drawings, your board layouts, whatever -- they'll get it. And that's alot cheaper than reverse engineering.

mattograph wrote in post #9057917
Indeed. Pocketwizards TTL products had such horrible range issues at release that you could hardly make the case that they delivered the product they promised. And the Radiopopper PX system took longer to come to market then the Chevy Volt.

Chinese manufacturers don't share crap with each other. Most likely, this type of stuff comes out of a single factory with multiple agents calling on customers. They won't share tools, because the profit margins are ridiculous. Tooling for a set of triggers probably ran the "brand" selling these pieces $30 - $40 grand US, but required about $200 in supplies and $1000 in labor.

They will, however, steal from each other. At our principal factory, thumb drives and laptops are not allowed in engineering -- not that it means much. If someone wants your cad drawings, your board layouts, whatever -- they'll get it. And that's alot cheaper than reverse engineering.

Not to mention that Nikon users are still waiting for the new Pocket Wizards and as of right now all we can do is hope they are more reliable than the Canon versions. Technology and technology imported from China is booming right now and we can expect to see some very interesting and exciting products with pricing to match.

seanzky wrote in post #9057040
I don't normally curse but if you guys can excuse me just this one time. GODAMMIT! What the ****!? I just got my RF-602s!!!!!

Me, too! The RF-602s are still on the way to me.
I should have been more diligent in checking this forum.

So glad I saw this thread, I was just about to pull the trigger on the PW's. I guess I'll wait to see how these do now. I really need TTL, I am getting tired of test, adjust, test, adjust.

Chris71 wrote in post #9060428
So glad I saw this thread, I was just about to pull the trigger on the PW's. I guess I'll wait to see how these do now. I really need TTL, I am getting tired of test, adjust, test, adjust.

Test, adjust ....... I hear you, however, the PW control is still perhaps not quite refined enough to avoid test adjust, let alone the inexplicable none firing of the remotes, but they do go a long way and when it works, yes stress is relieved, when it does not, you're just replacing one test/adjust for another.

The new units should certainly avoid the RF/Canon issue ~ but they are the Chinese, the cheap and cheerful global manufacturers that we have grown to love and hate ~ so I'll watch with interest too, in fact, I'll probably just buy a set out of sheer curiosity, I already have a Mini/Flex along with the prerequisite tranquilizer prescription from my GP ...

Any comments on these? That is a heck of a good price if they work well. I've got a question in on ebay to verify that they are ETTL. I can't find anything that says they are on the ebay ad. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk …ain_0?hash=item​4a9c65ed4d For that price, I may just give them a try. I'm getting frustrated with Canon's IR wireless for on location work but don't want to lose ETTL capability or spend a fortune.

District_History_Fan wrote in post #9061051
Any comments on these? I've got a question in on ebay to verify that they are ETTL. .

These are NOT the units we are chatting about, these units are not i/ETTL The link to our discussion is in the First Post.

District_History_Fan wrote in post #9061051
Any comments on these? That is a heck of a good price if they work well. I've got a question in on ebay to verify that they are ETTL. I can't find anything that says they are on the ebay ad. http://cgi.ebay.co.uk …ain_0?hash=item​4a9c65ed4d For that price, I may just give them a try. I'm getting frustrated with Canon's IR wireless for on location work but don't want to lose ETTL capability or spend a fortune.

Those have got good reviews anywhere I've read, but you will LOOSE ETTL. There are some threads here on these forums discussing them if you perform a search.

Edit: OK Gerbee was faster to reply.

I wonder if this Chinese TTL wireless system will include a free RF sock for 580EX II shooters?

Mark

Mark Booth wrote in post #9063883
I wonder if this Chinese TTL wireless system will include a free RF sock for 580EX II shooters?

Mark

My guess it that they'll have limited range but perform well with no RF issues. I'd put money on it.

TMR Design wrote in post #9064078
My guess it that they'll have limited range but perform well with no RF issues. I'd put money on it.

And the directions are certain to be good for a giggle or two.

wow, definitely getting these for high-sync if they work.. holy crap!
save me big bucks not getting PW

mattograph wrote in post #9064150
And the directions are certain to be good for a giggle or two.

LOLOLOLOLOL
Fortunately I have a friend that is Chinese and he can accurately translate the manuals for me.

TMR Design wrote in post #9064225
LOLOLOLOLOL
Fortunately I have a friend that is Chinese and he can accurately translate the manuals for me.

I can do that too

O man, I would call them directly and ask for price if they put a phone number on the internet.
VoIP phones FTW!

mattograph wrote in post #9064150
And the directions are certain to be good for a giggle or two.

Directions? Have you read their web site?

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