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Which ISO how to use with the 7D

 
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Nov 20, 2009 15:56 |  #1

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1. The following is relevant only for raw shooters; the considerations are different when creating JPEG in-camera.

2. The usage of high ISOs (6400, 12800) is not analyzed here.

Opinions, questions posted on several forums convey the impression, that some users of the Canon 7D do not fully understand the way the camera is working in conjunction with the ISO selection. I created a small explanation with demonstration of the issues regarding

a. the 1/3 EV ISO steps,

b. ISO 100 and 125.

http://www.cryptobola.​com/PhotoBola/Canon7D_​ISO.htm (external link) contains the explanation; however, that may be far too detailed for many photographers.


Following is a summary of the findings:

  • the camera's hardware does not support the fractional ISOs, they are created by underexposing the previous lower respectively overexposing the following higher full-stop ISO,
  • the +1/3 EV ISO steps, like 125, 250 reduce the dynamic range by 1/3 EV,
  • the -1/3 EV ISO steps, like 160, 320 cause an "overmetering" by 1/3 EV, which may cause clipping,
  • the ISO steps 100 and 125 cause about 1/4 EV higher exposure than it should be: ISO 100 is rather 119, thus the metering for ISO 100 may cause overexposure.
This is all pretty much the same as with the 40D and 50D.

Note, that DPP and LR/ACR compensate for the over- and underexposure; however, they can not reverse the noise effect caused by the underexposure of the +1/3 EV ISO steps, nor the possible clipping caused by the overexposure of the -1/3 EV ISO steps.

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Nov 21, 2009 03:19 |  #2

VERY interesting. I had noticed the combing effect on my shots, and will go back to verify that they were taken at one of those ISO's. It's thick, but I suspect that once Ive got it nailed down finally be able to pull the RAW files Ive always heard about. Lately, JPG's have been lookin goooood to me :)
I'm also currently getting to know HAMSTTR, and I wonder; Should this affect how I shoot HAMSTTR on the 7d?




  
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Nov 21, 2009 05:38 |  #3

I found this was a problem with the 30d and also in a friends 50d i found the camera worked its best on whole iso values 100,200,400,800 anything between was very poor i found that 400 iso was better than 250-320 . i have just upgraded to a 1d mk2 will it have the same problems:confused:????

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Nov 21, 2009 07:16 as a reply to  @ industryimage's post |  #4

This is why I have my 50D set to full ISO increments..


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Nov 21, 2009 07:56 |  #5

IIRC, this is a concern for all Canon bodies with the 1/3 stop intermediate ISO settings except for the 1-series which have actual 1/3 stop points rather than 1/3 stops derived from the adjacent full stop.


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Nov 21, 2009 11:25 |  #6

i have just upgraded to a 1d mk2 will it have the same problems?

No, the 1DII has a secondary hardware amplification stage for producing the 1/3 increments.


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Nov 21, 2009 14:40 |  #7

DCMP wrote in post #9054988 (external link)
I'm also currently getting to know HAMSTTR, and I wonder; Should this affect how I shoot HAMSTTR on the 7d?

Well, it should, but very simply: there is no reason to use the 1/3 ISO steps when shooting raw.

Another aspect is ISO 100: one needs to be careful with the exposure, because it "overmeters" by 1/4 EV. That does not necessarily mean overexposure; one should see it so: if an ISO 200 shot would be "ideally exposed" with a certain exposure, then the ISO 100 shot with doubling the exposure would be overexposed.


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Nov 22, 2009 06:25 |  #8

yogestee wrote in post #9055349 (external link)
This is why I have my 50D set to full ISO increments..

+1 ;)


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Nov 22, 2009 06:31 |  #9

Because of these discussions on the other bodies in the past, I finally broke my habit of leaving intermediate ISO levels on, and went to full about a year ago. One of the best things I ever did, I just use EC to augment the full ISO, or shoot raw and adjust.


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Nov 22, 2009 12:49 |  #10

Anyone know if you can set the 7D to only us full ISO increments?


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Nov 22, 2009 12:52 |  #11

What!?!? How did i not know about this? only full stops from now on. Thank you
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Nov 22, 2009 13:01 |  #12

alann wrote in post #9061951 (external link)
Anyone know if you can set the 7D to only us full ISO increments?

Look through your CF settings...


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Nov 22, 2009 13:17 |  #13

C.Fn I-2 on page 206 of the manual.


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Nov 22, 2009 13:18 |  #14

Warren,

"I found this was a problem with the 30d..........."

The 30D is different to its younger siblings in that the "best ISO's" (the ISO's with least noise) are not 100, 200, 300 etc but instead 100, 160, 320, 640 etc. Whether this is to do with it being "natural" as against "pushed or pulled" in processing I am not sure.


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Nov 22, 2009 13:21 |  #15

Full-stop ISOs aren't as convenient, but are definitely superior. I've been shooting only native ISOs for months now, and the results prove (to me) that it's worth the slightly less-convenient workflow.



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