Canon 1Ds mark 4

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12184386
Would be awesome with all the zoom lenses. Wait, what?

**Poof!!** **awakens from dream**

The 1D's are not really all that big. I have no problem carrying them with a 70-200 all day. Or even a 300. If they want a small body come out with the 3D already and make it the prosumer body that has smaller file size and shoots higher ISO.

Are you guys sure none of these cameras have been announced?? There's been an awful lot of 5DMKII and 7D sales in the For Sale thread on here and on Craigslist here in DFW.

downhillnews wrote in post #12186969
The 1D's are not really all that big.

They aren't. But there's also no good reason for being as big as they are. It offers nothing positive to the experience of using them. Being smaller might.

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12187663
They aren't. But there's also no good reason for being as big as they are. It offers nothing positive to the experience of using them. Being smaller might.

Furthermore, you can always make them bigger by adding onto them, e.g. with a grip. Just because the external grips that Canon makes available for their lower end cameras were designed by neanderthals doesn't mean the ones for a more "normal" form factor 1D series have to be.

kcbrown wrote in post #12188341
Furthermore, you can always make them bigger by adding onto them, e.g. with a grip. Just because the external grips that Canon makes available for their lower end cameras were designed by neanderthals doesn't mean the ones for a more "normal" form factor 1D series have to be.

Can it still get hosed down on the side of the MX track by the H2O truck? I do not know of any gripped camera that is WEATHER SEALED? Would it be as durable? If you want light weight buy a 5D thats why it is there right?

kcbrown wrote in post #12188341
Furthermore, you can always make them bigger by adding onto them, e.g. with a grip. Just because the external grips that Canon makes available for their lower end cameras were designed by neanderthals doesn't mean the ones for a more "normal" form factor 1D series have to be.

It's a shame what they've been doing to grips for the awhile now. Back in the film days Canon's grips were fantastic.

The grip for the 10D was excellent, the wheels came off the cart for the 20D for some reason, and never got back on. they need a pit crew.

I'd be very happy to have the option of removing the additional grip from a 1 series like with the film versions. No need for an entirely different body to pack light!

I've grown rather fond of the 1D's structure inso far as ergonomics and build, and to be honest I don't see it going away. My 5D2 almost seems like the 'fragile companion' of my two 1D bodies. And to this vein, I don't mind the additional weight; it's almost reassuring to some degree, not that I expect many of you to have experienced the ghastly horrors of sharing an enclosure with animals and curious clawed paws. I should imagine my needs are a rather small margin of the photographic community, however

downhillnews wrote in post #12188795
Can it still get hosed down on the side of the MX track by the H2O truck? I do not know of any gripped camera that is WEATHER SEALED? Would it be as durable?

Would it be as durable and as weather resistant? Not quite as much. Nothing compares to an integrated body for that. But that's not the real question.

The question is: could it be made as durable and weather resistant as the lens to body interface? Yes, most definitely it could. In fact, you can make it quite a bit more weather resistant than the lens to body interface, because you can build the seals to be much thicker, more redundant, etc.

Remember, too, that this is merely a battery grip with some additional switches. Building reliable contacts between mating surfaces is a well-known engineering problem with well-known solutions. The "design" used on the 5D series and below, wherein part of the battery grip goes into the battery compartment, is idiotic and unnecessary.

No. The 5D doesn't compare to the 1D series. For one thing, the 1D series doesn't have a Fisher Price autofocus system. For another, the body itself isn't as well sealed (it's better than nothing, but it's still no comparison). For yet another, the 5D's noise characteristics aren't nearly as clean as those of the 1Ds3 -- it exhibits both pattern noise at low ISOs and horizontal banding at high ISOs, neither of which is found with the 1Ds3.

^^Fisher Price auto focus?

jdizzle wrote in post #12191468
^^Fisher Price auto focus?

Hehehehe.

Yeah.

For the price of the camera, the autofocus system in the 5Dmk2 is a joke. Its center point does relatively well, but the outer points are apparently not very useful in anything but bright light, aren't even cross type (so are going to be sensitive to the alignment of the detail), and are clustered close enough to the center point in the frame that you may as well regard the entire autofocus grid as a "center point".

In other words, compared with the autofocus system of the 1D series, and even when compared with the one on the 40D and 50D (when comparing the whole system, not just the center point) the one on the 5Dmk2 is a toy. Hence, "Fisher Price".

kcbrown wrote in post #12191496
Hehehehe.

Yeah.

For the price of the camera, the autofocus system in the 5Dmk2 is a joke. Its center point does relatively well, but the outer points are apparently not very useful in anything but bright light, aren't even cross type (so are going to be sensitive to the alignment of the detail), and are clustered close enough to the center point in the frame that you may as well regard the entire autofocus grid as a "center point".

In other words, compared with the autofocus system of the 1D series, and even when compared with the one on the 40D and 50D (when comparing the whole system, not just the center point) the one on the 5Dmk2 is a toy. Hence, "Fisher Price".

Yeah, you don't have to tell me. I've shot the 5D II numerous times and was disappointed with it's AF.

kcbrown wrote in post #12191463
No. The 5D doesn't compare to the 1D series. For one thing, the 1D series doesn't have a Fisher Price autofocus system. For another, the body itself isn't as well sealed (it's better than nothing, but it's still no comparison). For yet another, the 5D's noise characteristics aren't nearly as clean as those of the 1Ds3 -- it exhibits both pattern noise at low ISOs and horizontal banding at high ISOs, neither of which is found with the 1Ds3.

True but again the 1D is not big it is not like u are lugging a 4 by 5 around with a 40LB tri pod. If you want a portable rig you are not shooting sports. Do you need fast AF to shoot the Golden gate or Grand Canyon? I don't think so. I would rather they released the claimed "3D" made it the smaller format body and left the 1D alone as far as build and eventually allowed for sensor replacement modular design a la RED. Then you could spend 700-1200 every 3 years instead of $7500!

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12184738
Indeed. The bulk of the 1D(s) is a requirement that has run its course. Like huge cell phones of the 80s...


Wasn't the creation of the H-sized sensor essentially the result of the limitiations in processing power of the time? APS-H seems like a dinosaur throwback spec from a different time. I'd be surprised if we see another camera with this sized sensor - and disappointed.

gotta agree with you hear! im waiting and waiting for a fast fps ff camera to come from canon, if nikon could make the amazing 9fps full frame d3 in 2007 or whenever it was canon should be able to!

and i also definitely agree with the 5d fisher price autofocus.. :P i find my 550d to be even faster than my 5dc!