Canon 1Ds mark 4

downhillnews wrote in post #12191618
True but again the 1D is not big it is not like u are lugging a 4 by 5 around with a 40LB tri pod. If you want a portable rig you are not shooting sports. Do you need fast AF to shoot the Golden gate or Grand Canyon? I don't think so. I would rather they released the claimed "3D" made it the smaller format body and left the 1D alone as far as build and eventually allowed for sensor replacement modular design a la RED. Then you could spend 700-1200 every 3 years instead of $7500!

The 1D isn't just for shooting sports. Only Canon marketers think that "designing" the camera for a single purpose is a good idea, because it forces people to buy additional cameras in order to achieve the balance they would otherwise get from a more general-purpose design.

The additional bulk of the 1D series is useful for counterbalancing a larger lens, but there is absolutely nothing in engineering terms that requires the 1D camera bodies to be as large as they are when the additional bulk can be achieved with a separate grip.

As for fast AF, it's desirable for many situations, not all of which require having a huge lens attached to the body. For instance, indoor basketball can be (and often is) shot with fast primes like the 85 f/1.8 or 100 f/2. But you still want the fast and reliable autofocus for it. It's also desirable for taking pictures of kids.

And it's not just that the 1D series autofocus is fast, it's also flexible. You can put your focus point anywhere within a relatively large area of the frame, and that means you can frame your shot and focus on what you want to focus on simultaneously.


The 1D series is the top of the line for Canon. It should be as general purpose as possible.

downhillnews wrote in post #12191618
True but again the 1D is not big it is not like u are lugging a 4 by 5 around with a 40LB tri pod. If you want a portable rig you are not shooting sports. Do you need fast AF to shoot the Golden gate or Grand Canyon? I don't think so. I would rather they released the claimed "3D" made it the smaller format body and left the 1D alone as far as build and eventually allowed for sensor replacement modular design a la RED. Then you could spend 700-1200 every 3 years instead of $7500!

Okay, so things that are outdated are large 80's phones, bulk on cameras orignally there to house robust film drive motors, and the mentality that these cameras are supposed to only fill very small, defined roles or niches.

I want my camera to capture whatever I point it at.

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12193011
Okay, so things that are outdated are large 80's phones, bulk on cameras orignally there to house robust film drive motors, and the mentality that these cameras are supposed to only fill very small, defined roles or niches.

I want my camera to capture whatever I point it at.

True but sorry they are gonna get stomped by the new version 645D's coming out period when it comes to landscape and commercial shooters. 35mm or a sensor 2-4 times that size at 40MP? I think they will need to release a new model and that will compete with them. Can U fit a 645 sensor in a 5D body? What about something bigger. Sure cannot fit a 617 sensor in there. Having $30K in glass it only makes sense to have 2-3 bodies. I don't switch my stuff out shooting I pull out the appropriate body with the lens mounted I need. Just don't see what the huff is all about I guess. Waiting on the RED.....

There's just no need for Canon to produce cameras on the upper end of the scale with such significant drawbacks in certain applications. The 5D cannot handle action well because of a direct marketing decision on Canon's part (possibly caused by the low performance ceiling of the 1Ds III, but regardless). There is nothing inherent in full frame sensors that says fast action is a no-no. Originally it was all about throughput and processing power. That is no longer a limitation.

We should get a camera that can handle sunny landscapes just as well as it can handle roller derby in a dark and dank skating rink.

The D3s agrees.

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12195559
There's just no need for Canon to produce cameras on the upper end of the scale with such significant drawbacks in certain applications. The 5D cannot handle action well because of a direct marketing decision on Canon's part (possibly caused by the low performance ceiling of the 1Ds III, but regardless). There is nothing inherent in full frame sensors that says fast action is a no-no. Originally it was all about throughput and processing power. That is no longer a limitation.

We should get a camera that can handle sunny landscapes just as well as it can handle roller derby in a dark and dank skating rink.

The D3s agrees.

I agree. The Nikon D3s is an amazing piece!

I use my 1D for pretty much everything. I like the size and heft actually, as it balances nicely with L lenses, especially the larger ones. Another aspect is the absolute rigidity of the body and lens that you just don't get with separate grips. This used to really bug me with my last body. The huge field of focus points is awesome, and I use them ALL the time (generally selecting a single point manually).

When weight and/or size is a major concern, I don't fight it... I use a totally different platform for that (Leica M). Right tool for the job and all that...

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12195559
There's just no need for Canon to produce cameras on the upper end of the scale with such significant drawbacks in certain applications. The 5D cannot handle action well because of a direct marketing decision on Canon's part (possibly caused by the low performance ceiling of the 1Ds III, but regardless). There is nothing inherent in full frame sensors that says fast action is a no-no. Originally it was all about throughput and processing power. That is no longer a limitation.

We should get a camera that can handle sunny landscapes just as well as it can handle roller derby in a dark and dank skating rink.

The D3s agrees.

I shot action and still shoot action all the time with before my 5DCs and now my 5DIIs no problem. In fact I shot action on single frame. I don't use FPS and I get the shot. Some of the greatest action shots ever taker were taken with manual focus lenses and no FPS.

Point. Missed.

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12196450
Point. Missed.

I always find it funny that we all expect the equipment to find the moment and to do all these technical marvels to make us great photographers. We try and buy our way to it with gadgets.

In the right hands a 5DII is better than a 1DsMKIII is in the wrong hands. That should always be the point. The final image and the skilled hands and vision that captured it.

airfrogusmc wrote in post #12196471
I always find it funny that we all expect the equipment to find the moment and to do all these technical marvels to make us great photographers. We try and buy our way to it with gadgets.

In the right hands a 5DII is better than a 1DsMKIII is in the wrong hands. That should always be the point. The final image and the skilled hands and vision that captured it.

No one is going to disagree with any of that. Was this meant for a different thread?

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12196483
No one is going to disagree with any of that. Was this meant for a different thread?

It was in response to this.
"The 5D cannot handle action well"

Well, since you've taken action shots you've liked with a 5D, then I guess the 5D is good for action.

Indecent Exposure wrote in post #12196648
Well, since you've taken action shots you've liked with a 5D, then I guess the 5D is good for action.

Not just me

If you know what you're doing, even a manual focus camera can be good for action.

Now CR says 5D III in a few weeks. I'm dizzy.