MKIII + 35L and 5D MKII + 501.4

I wanted to give this it's own thread. Hopefully I can help show that it's not the equipment. This should be evident, as the picture is crap But, I tried to find something that would be tough to focus on yet have some color and a bit of the dynamic range, so my sons pile of kindgerten art and a christmas candleholder in the kitchen was perfect I thought.

Bear in mind, I'm not bashing anything, just trying to give food for thought.

Let me know what you think.

From another post:
Well, the 35L is packed up for return. Honestly, that was tough. That is one hell of a lens and one I will own for sure and I can see why people love it. Reminds me of the Sigma 30. Ahh, if only the 30 would work on full frame and 1.3's!!!!! Oh well though. Enough GAS, time to work on the gd skills.

Here's a game: Mark III + 35L or 5D Mark II + 50mm1.4. Which is which?
Quick attachments, slightly larger pics in the links. Both sync-processed through ACR CS4. 5D was shot in M-RAW, mark III was RAW, both same aperture and ss. Sharpening was 100,6,0
http://www.echoesphoto​graphic.com …ent/uploads/200​9/12/b.jpg
http://www.echoesphoto​graphic.com …ent/uploads/200​9/12/a.jpg

Based on DoF alone I would say the second pic is the 5D II with 50 F/1.4.

I prefer the first picture, BTW.

Kind regards, Wim

Second picture I believe is the 5dII and 50 1.4, simply because there appears to be more vignetting.

I hope you get your lens dilemma figured out! Do you find one is more accurate in the focus department? How about sharpness wide open? I'm giving the 35L a try, because I found the Sigma 50 1.4 to be very inconsistent in the focus department, and have never been able to get a good copy.

Thanks for playing Wim! I think it's neat that one pic has 2500.00 worth of gear, the other is double that. It's also strange how the two sensors seem to have affected the color quite differently.
I'll let a few others have a go at it too.
I still haven't called B&H from the RMA on my 35... But I can't understand why, looking at the pics, why wouldn't I?

picture "a" - 5D MkII
picture "b" - 1D MkIII
I think..... any way, nice test!!!!!

Yamaha451 wrote in post #9120935
Second picture I believe is the 5dII and 50 1.4, simply because there appears to be more vignetting.
I hope you get your lens dilemma figured out! Do you find one is more accurate in the focus department? How about sharpness wide open? I'm giving the 35L a try, because I found the Sigma 50 1.4 to be very inconsistent in the focus department, and have never been able to get a good copy.

I KNOW! The dilemma is actually tough.
It's hard to say...The 35 is on a Mark III, the 50 on a 5D. Arguably they are both very accurate though, you'd think the 1 series and the L wouldn't simply rock the world of the 5D and 50, but it just doesn't. The 35L though required a +13 MA to work right on the Mark III and just a tad less on the 5D. I do honestly think there's an opportunity for 'hocus focus' with both lenses. They're both great, it just depends on what sort of focal length you want! The 35L is a bit wide on the 5D and perfect on the Mark III. The 50 is nice on the 5D and a little long on the Mark III...

I would say the same

dimidragos wrote in post #9121025
picture "a" - 5D MkII
picture "b" - 1D MkIII
I think..... any way, nice test!!!!!

Shouldn't the one with more pop to the colors be the L?

Could it be mostly the difference between the sensors and how the ACR profiles are different that is overshadowing any difference in colors between the two lenses? I would be curious to see how DPP deals with the colors between cameras.

I would expect for the premium of the L for it to have more pop/contrast, as well as be sharper at 1.4. Maybe I am wrong?

Yamaha451 wrote in post #9121607
Could it be mostly the difference between the sensors and how the ACR profiles are different that is overshadowing any difference in colors between the two lenses? I would be curious to see how DPP deals with the colors between cameras.

I would expect for the premium of the L for it to have more pop/contrast, as well as be sharper at 1.4. Maybe I am wrong?

Could be, although the RAW files in DPP look exactly the same. I kept on double checking and double checking

Heh, for the difference in cost PLUS all the pomp and cirumstance the L's in general get, you would hope that it would be sharper, and more pop...

But...

"a", which is the second image if you ordered them correctly, is the 50. Double lines galore over the sheet music. And it missed focus, btw.

Interesting how much more neutral-colored the first image is (presumably the 1D). Is it the sensor or is it ACR?

I don't think the image is a very good test, but I still like 'b' better. Better colors, and a bit more clarity to santa.

I don't use my 35L very often, but mostly because its just not a favorite FL of mine. But, the IQ is always great, where the 50 1.4 never did anything for me. I'd rather shoot with the 35L and crop than use the 50 1.4.

But, if its about comparing $$ too, everyone knows the 50 1.4 is a great bang for the bucks lens.

JC4 wrote in post #9122995
I don't think the image is a very good test, but I still like 'b' better. Better colors, and a bit more clarity to santa.

I don't use my 35L very often, but mostly because its just not a favorite FL of mine. But, the IQ is always great, where the 50 1.4 never did anything for me. I'd rather shoot with the 35L and crop than use the 50 1.4.

But, if its about comparing $$ too, everyone knows the 50 1.4 is a great bang for the bucks lens.

Just goes to show how peoples opinions can differ, i prefer the first picture (which i think is the 1DIII) as i think 2nd picture is over saturated & slightly darker:p

gazshaun wrote in post #9123038
Just goes to show how peoples opinions can differ, i prefer the first picture (which i think is the 1DIII) as i think 2nd picture is over saturated & slightly darker:p

I think the first picture is 'b'. Check the links, and look at the larger versions. I'm pretty sure he posted them 'b' then 'a', just like the links are ordered.

toxic wrote in post #9122921
"a", which is the second image if you ordered them correctly, is the 50. Double lines galore over the sheet music. And it missed focus, btw.
Interesting how much more neutral-colored the first image is (presumably the 1D). Is it the sensor or is it ACR?

Very good and knowledgable way to choose which is which. The bokeh of the L is better and therefore should be smoother in comparison. You'd crap your pants though if that was the 50!
The color issue is interesting isn't it! I don't see how it could be ACR as they're both processed the same and they also look the same when viewing the same images in DPP. It must be sensor related.

JC4 wrote in post #9122995
I don't think the image is a very good test, but I still like 'b' better. Better colors, and a bit more clarity to santa.
I don't use my 35L very often, but mostly because its just not a favorite FL of mine. But, the IQ is always great, where the 50 1.4 never did anything for me. I'd rather shoot with the 35L and crop than use the 50 1.4.
But, if its about comparing $$ too, everyone knows the 50 1.4 is a great bang for the bucks lens.

I never said it was a 'good' image', but I think for testing purposes it's actually not bad. Good color range, a subject that's easy (for some cameras/lenses) to focus on, good bokeh test.
It's not about really showing bang for the buck but moreso to put out this thought that L's automatically have more pop and better color.
It's also about showing that a $hit picture is still a $hit picture no matter how much money you throw at it.

gazshaun wrote in post #9123038
Just goes to show how peoples opinions can differ, i prefer the first picture (which i think is the 1DIII) as i think 2nd picture is over saturated & slightly darker:p

Too true! And just think of the difference in cost between the two pictures!

JC4 wrote in post #9123082
I think the first picture is 'b'. Check the links, and look at the larger versions. I'm pretty sure he posted them 'b' then 'a', just like the links are ordered.

The links and the larger versions are in that order, b then a. I did it backwards to attempt to cause some confusion.