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Dec 02, 2009 23:40 |  #1

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Dec 03, 2009 13:24 |  #2

How well does it work?




  
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Dec 03, 2009 16:20 |  #3

I gave it a whirl and tried files from my 5D2 at 640x480 and 1920x1080 30p and also from my 7D at 640x480, 1280x720 50p, 1920x1080 24p and 1920x1080 25p. I converted to a number of output formats including AVI, WMV, MPEG, MOV, MP4 and it converted everything with ease. Everything I produced was able to be played in Windows Media Player and Windows Media Centre.

I have not yet tried editing any of the converted files.

I did virus check the downloaded file with Nod32 and that found nothing. However, Windows Defender was curious and requested that I allow the downloaded file and the installed program file to Microsoft for analysis.

Here's a screen shot of my input files ready to be processed. I have to say that for free software it appears to work well, but I am not in a position to perform any detailed analysis on the IQ as my input files were flat and soft, having been shot with Neutral picture style and no sharpening.

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Dec 03, 2009 16:31 |  #4

Thanks, I'll check it out too when I get home!
Right now I use Adobe Media Ecoder, it seems to be able to do the same stuff, are they similar programs?




  
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Dec 03, 2009 16:45 |  #5

I'm afraid I have no idea about Adobe Media Encoder. I'm new to all this DSLR video malarky and really just starting to find my way around. So far I have tried various products to convert from the 5D2 and 7D formats to something I may actually be able to edit....

MPEG Streamclip;
Any Video Converter;
SUPER (external link);

and editors/converters including....

Videospin;
Windows Movie Maker;
Avidemux;
VideoPad;

So far I haven't been thrilled with the results, but this new converter looks the most promising so far. Of course, I now need to try feeding the files through an editor. I'm not big on video so I don't want a flashy solution and would prefer not to spend money for basic split/join and titling effects, plus the possible addition of a second soundtrack. That's really all I need. I'm hoping the files from this converter will work OK with Windows Movie Maker. If so, that should be enough for me.

EDIT : Windows Live Movie Maker has accepted every file format output from WinX HD Video Converter regardless of source camera or video format.




  
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Dec 03, 2009 17:02 |  #6

This is why I'm going to get a MacBook Pro and work with the 5DMKII video there...




  
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Dec 03, 2009 18:50 |  #7

so i downloaded the program, but how to I get the registration code to unlock the trial version? Or is this something that I dont worry about? thanks


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Dec 03, 2009 18:52 |  #8

ok nevermind...figured it out...thanks


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Dec 03, 2009 20:08 as a reply to  @ dou_b_14's post |  #9

I downloaded the program, gave it a shot, and am not impressed. I was converting 5DII files from 1080 to 720. Conversion times are blazing fast, but the output quality (at various settings) leaves a lot to be desired. Video is choppy and the audio is out of sync. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I can't imagine render times being that fast without some serious corner cutting. The actual image quality is okay...it just looks like they're dropping frames from the vid or something.

In comparison, Sony Vegas, Premiere Elements and Quicktime pro all take much longer to do the same conversion, but produce excellent results.


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Dec 04, 2009 01:21 |  #10

ChrisMc73 wrote in post #9129908 (external link)
This is why I'm going to get a MacBook Pro and work with the 5DMKII video there...

Useless, it'll have the same issues of video lag during preview.


If you want a free program to convert a 5d/7d file to a working format, megui is good, and if you are lazy, videora is based off the same open source code put into a pretty(ier) package.

As for low quality and choppy video, two things I can think of are: poor compression using single pass with no RD and practically no motion estimation and proprietary core code that does not use directshow filters/ doesn't use them properly. Try using ffdshow as your default decoder and see what happens. If the program works with ffdshow, it's just your old codecs being bad, if not, program isn't worth it.


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Dec 04, 2009 02:13 |  #11

bacchanal wrote in post #9130911 (external link)
I downloaded the program, gave it a shot, and am not impressed. I was converting 5DII files from 1080 to 720. Conversion times are blazing fast, but the output quality (at various settings) leaves a lot to be desired. Video is choppy and the audio is out of sync. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I can't imagine render times being that fast without some serious corner cutting. The actual image quality is okay...it just looks like they're dropping frames from the vid or something.

In comparison, Sony Vegas, Premiere Elements and Quicktime pro all take much longer to do the same conversion, but produce excellent results.

I did not try converting dimensions or frame rates. I only converted between CODECs/containers (I hope I have the lingo right), and did not notice any problems. However, my scene had very little movement and barely any sound. My purpose in the conversions was simply to get the video into an editable format. I would leave things like downsizing and framerate conversion to my editing program. Note there is a tick box to "Use High Quality Engine" which is unticked by default but which I did tick for my conversions.

I'll shoot something a little more demanding and see what happens.

EDIT : I shot some more footage with my 5D2 at 1920x1080, specifically to check out audio sync. Everything plays back smoothly with no sign of stuttering or dropped frames, but the audio sync is out by a country mile. This is not a question of drifting slightly. It is wrong from the off and stays wrong for the duration of a 33 second clip. It's off by a couple of seconds just 10 seconds into the clip.

I did the same things with my 7D at 1920x1080 25p and it's the same problem with audio lagging significantly. Oddly, the conversion takes a lot longer with the 7D 1080p files than the 5D2 1080p files.

I guess it's time, once again, to go on the hunt for software that actually works properly. Maybe I will have to pay for "proper" software if I want to do anything useful with video and a synchronised audio track. :(

EDIT : I just tried Any Video Converter (external link) once more and I think I'll go with that for the time being. My "mistake" previously was to try using video bitrates above 8000kbps, which really is not necessary as far as I can see.




  
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Dec 04, 2009 13:11 |  #12

I'm having the same audio sync issues as well, clips are :47 to 1:67 etc...and all have audio off by "a country mile" as well...NOT IMPRESSED with this FREE program...the video works great, but audio, ha no.

Guess you get what you pay for huh?

I've tried converting the .MOV native file from my 5D Mark II to a MP4 and WMV and both had these audio issues, this to me = BIG TIME FAIL, unless I'm doing something sorely wrong?




  
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Dec 04, 2009 14:43 |  #13

basroil wrote in post #9132494 (external link)
Useless, it'll have the same issues of video lag during preview.


If you want a free program to convert a 5d/7d file to a working format, megui is good, and if you are lazy, videora is based off the same open source code put into a pretty(ier) package.

As for low quality and choppy video, two things I can think of are: poor compression using single pass with no RD and practically no motion estimation and proprietary core code that does not use directshow filters/ doesn't use them properly. Try using ffdshow as your default decoder and see what happens. If the program works with ffdshow, it's just your old codecs being bad, if not, program isn't worth it.

Dude its not lazy, its just that MeGui is way over most of our heads, its not for people new to video etc...I've installed it and just stared at it...lost...no clue what to do to get it to convert my .MOV from my 5D Mark II...
I guess a some of us are just looking for a simple, easy to understand, clean GUI and something that makes sense to just convert the .MOV (native file) from the 5D Mark II or 7D etc...to something useable for either editing in a program like Final Cut/Adobe Premiere/Sony Vegas etc...or just a quick publish to a website such as YouTube or Vimeo etc...




  
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Dec 05, 2009 01:42 |  #14

ChrisMc73 wrote in post #9135668 (external link)
Dude its not lazy, its just that MeGui is way over most of our heads, its not for people new to video etc...I've installed it and just stared at it...lost...no clue what to do to get it to convert my .MOV from my 5D Mark II...
I guess a some of us are just looking for a simple, easy to understand, clean GUI and something that makes sense to just convert the .MOV (native file) from the 5D Mark II or 7D etc...to something useable for either editing in a program like Final Cut/Adobe Premiere/Sony Vegas etc...or just a quick publish to a website such as YouTube or Vimeo etc...

Actually really easy. 1) rename .MOV to .MP4 so quicktime doesn't have to slow down decoding (ffmpeg-mt allows for many cores for decoding, comes in ffdshow that they will link to at the megui download pages) 2) click tools->avisynth script creator -> select the file you want -> select the size you want to resize to (if you want to resize) -> click save -> select the preset you want from the list -> click enque -> click start 3) watch the pretty numbers go up and down


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Dec 05, 2009 13:06 |  #15

basroil wrote in post #9138713 (external link)
Actually really easy. 1) rename .MOV to .MP4 so quicktime doesn't have to slow down decoding (ffmpeg-mt allows for many cores for decoding, comes in ffdshow that they will link to at the megui download pages) 2) click tools->avisynth script creator -> select the file you want -> select the size you want to resize to (if you want to resize) -> click save -> select the preset you want from the list -> click enque -> click start 3) watch the pretty numbers go up and down

Ok, I'll give this a shot and let you know/see the results!




  
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