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Why the $^%#! are my images looking so RED on Facebook?

 
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Dec 05, 2009 14:53 as a reply to  @ post 9140945 |  #31

Other than the sharpening, it looks just like the previous post, and just like the FB image, and just like the before conversion image. The more saturated look. A bit too much saturation in the skin for my taste, but not so much I can say definitively its the WRONG version.

FYI, I duplicated some of the issue you're seeing in PS, and its an expected behavior. Though opposite of what you're seeing. The image on the right(the after SaveForWeb) is what I'm seeing while working on my image. I achieved this by working in ProPhoto RGB, then in SaveForWeb, I checked Convert to sRGB(which I would want to do). The before shows what would happen if I didn't convert the color profile and let it be displayed in RGB, but with the ProPhoto RGB values. So, I have to assume you're working in ProPhoto or Adobe RGB, and that's why this box looked like this, and probably not what you're chasing as an issue. You may not even have an issue???? I don't know, my knowledge of color management is very weak, so don't read to much into what I'm saying. Just trying to help out a bit.


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Dec 05, 2009 14:55 |  #32

C.Steele wrote in post #9140945 (external link)
I have an idea, lets try this. Here is the same image straight from LR. Maybe we can see if PS is messing something up this way.

*Edit* This looks the same as the one I posted from PS above, which for me is correct and doesn't have too much red. Does it look any different for any of you?


This looks the same as the facebook on for me - I think your photoshop and firefox are applying a certain color profile when present and are altering what you see. I think almost everyone else sees the non-color corrected files which are what facebook is displaying. I'd have to conclude you are not working in sRGB standard for photoshop.


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Dec 05, 2009 14:57 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #33

Chris,
Just a quick question: what kind of monitor are you viewing this on?
Is it possible that you are experiencing the "wide gamut monitor condundrum"?
In short: If you are using a monitor capable of displaying a color space larger than sRGB, an sRGB image will look wrong when viewed with a non-color-managed web browser, even if you have calibrated your monitor. Mostly the image will look red and over saturated.
Have a look at this thread for more details:
https://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthre​ad.php?t=790799

Also see this link for a good explanation of the issues involved:
http://www.artstorm.ne​t …ent-wide-gamut-dell-2408/ (external link)




  
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Dec 05, 2009 14:59 as a reply to  @ post 9140984 |  #34

Ok check this out...

IMAGE NOT FOUND
HTTP response: 404 | MIME changed to 'text/html' | Byte size: ZERO


How do you explain that??!

Thank you all sooo much for hanging with me and trying to help me figure this out. It's helping just to have other calibrated monitors look at it.

@Queenbee - I use a DoubleSight H-IPS monitor. They rock and I'm certain it is not the issue. Also, remember, what I get back from the lab matches my monitor so this has something to do with how images are displayed on the web only.

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Dec 05, 2009 15:02 |  #35

I am still going with photoshop is embedding a RGB or Adobe RGB color profile instead of the standard sRGB. Facebook is stripping the color profile, IE can't display the color profile, and your Blog shot with the still embedded color non-sRGB profile is applied correctly in firefox.


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Dec 05, 2009 15:03 as a reply to  @ tkbslc's post |  #36

Just to be clear - the Firefox blog image matches PS, LR, and Windows viewer for me. The other 3 look way too red.


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Dec 05, 2009 15:04 as a reply to  @ C.Steele's post |  #37

OK, so why can you give us a screen shots that are different from your LR output? The LR output shouldn't have had an imbedded profile issue? I can understand profiles getting a bit messy in PhotoShop, but LR only deals with sRGB when outputting to JPG, I think. Yup, I have no clue. :)


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Dec 05, 2009 15:05 |  #38

tkbslc wrote in post #9141034 (external link)
I am still going with photoshop is embedding a RGB or Adobe RGB color profile instead of the standard sRGB. Facebook is stripping the color profile, IE can't display the color profile, and your Blog shot with the still embedded color non-sRGB profile is applied correctly in firefox.

That doesn't explain why it looks the same straight for LR as posted above though.


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Dec 05, 2009 15:17 |  #39

Sorry, didn't mean to muddy the issue. I am an admirer of your photography. I bookmarked your site a long time ago to go back and study but forgot about it. Now I am reminded.:)




  
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Dec 05, 2009 15:24 as a reply to  @ C.Steele's post |  #40

While checking my color settings for the 100th time I discovered what may be another piece to the puzzle.

Remember when I said my screen shots didn't match up to what I was actually seeing when I opened them in PS? The comparison was still there, one looked redder than the other, but it wasn't AS red as I was seeing it online. The non red image actually looked pale as well compared to what I saw on my blog.

I opened "Assign profile" in PS and saw that the working profile was sRGB and was the one marked as expected. However, when I selected Adobe 1998 the images looked EXACTLY like I see them online. The red ones looked very red and the correct one looked correct instead of too pale.

This would seem to indicate that the images are tagged with Adobe 1998 - I think? But we know they are not. I can look at the profiles (some of you have too) and see that it's sRGB.

*sigh* see what I mean? Frustrating as hell. I'm starting to think something somewhere is corrupt and I just need to wipe everything and start over. Drastic I know, but I don't know what else to do. I can't have my clients passing around red photos all over the web with my name all over them.


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Dec 05, 2009 15:26 |  #41

queenbee288 wrote in post #9141087 (external link)
Sorry, didn't mean to muddy the issue. I am an admirer of your photography. I bookmarked your site a long time ago to go back and study but forgot about it. Now I am reminded.:)

Wow, thank you very much. That means a lot and is really cool of you to let me know:cool:


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Dec 05, 2009 15:32 as a reply to  @ C.Steele's post |  #42

Chris,
There is nothing wrong with your setup, what you are experiencing is normal:
I see you are using a DoubleSight H-IPS monitor, which is a so called "wide gamut" monitor.
In that case, what you are seeing is to be expected.
When using a wide gamut monitor any non-color-managed application will display an sRGB image incorrectly, even if your display is calibrated. The only way to get an accurate display of an sRGB image on a wide gamut monitor is to use a color managed application.
See the links I posted in post #33.




  
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Dec 05, 2009 15:39 as a reply to  @ Jens's post |  #43

So I'm a bit confused then.

Basically that would mean that the issue is that FB strips the profile from my images. Correct? I can see how that would cause issues if I was working in anything but sRGB, but isn't the default webspace color profile sRGB? So even if it stripped the profile, as long as I edited in sRGB it should look the same.

Maybe I'm way off but I thought that's why many of us worked in sRGB, to make sure the images looked good on our clients non calibrated monitors when viewing online.

*edit* I guess what I'm not understanding is the variance from FB to my blog. Isn't Firefox the viewing application in both instances? You say a wide gamut monitor can't display correctly in non CM apps which I understand. Firefox is color managed. So to my understanding anything viewed with Firefox should look the same (if it's the exact same file). Is this not correct?


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Dec 05, 2009 16:23 as a reply to  @ C.Steele's post |  #44

Ok, so I looked at another photographers blog that had the same images on his blog and FB - they looked identical to me (and color correct I might add). So it really seems like it is something with MY images, and I can't figure it out. Keep in mind also that this is a new thing. I posted images from other shoots months ago and never had an issue, everything looked correct.

I'm leaning more and more toward a complete HD wipe and reinstall of all my programs.


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Dec 05, 2009 16:30 |  #45

This is confusing me too. This is the 3rd thread I've read where the finger of suspicion is pointing at a "wide gamut" monitor.


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